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It was time to try our new hp scanner so I decided to scan this bravery medal with temporary award document. It appears that it crashes when I don?t make a scan in colour?. If it can scan colour why not black and white!... :speechless: Anyway? I think his name is Sirogis Karl Petrovich the rest I can't read. Was it given 12 December 1945 for something he did in 1942? Or have I got everything vrong?

I think I will use my digital camera in the future.

/Erik

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Erik,

I really like the Temporary certificate and medal!! :jumping: As for your scanner I scan everything including black & white photos using the Color photo setting. It works every time.

:beer: Doc

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Erik,

I really like the Temporary certificate and medal!! :jumping: As for your scanner I scan everything including black & white photos using the Color photo setting. It works every time.

:beer: Doc

Thank You! Yes, who needs to use the black and white settings anyway. :cheeky: It will probably work if i bother to download new drivers.

/Erik

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Epppppppppppssssssssssssssson scanner. :rolleyes::ninja:

These came out fine! :beer:

Karl Petrivich SPROGIS, Red Army Private, was indeed authorized a Valor Medal by decree of the Western Front on 20 January 1942, but received VM # 3,100,206 out of the box (maybe he was a POW? Reeeeeseaaaarch....) by Riga City Military Commissariat 12 December 1945!

From his name, he must have been a local Latvian.

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Epppppppppppssssssssssssssson scanner. :rolleyes::ninja:

These came out fine! :beer:

Karl Petrivich SPROGIS, Red Army Private, was indeed authorized a Valor Medal by decree of the Western Front on 20 January 1942, but received VM # 3,100,206 out of the box (maybe he was a POW? Reeeeeseaaaarch....) by Riga City Military Commissariat 12 December 1945!

From his name, he must have been a local Latvian.

Thank You very much! I'm actually thinking about researching it but I have a few more waiting and I have not made up my mind yet. But before that, I'm still waiting for my OG research to come in the mail. It appeared that there had been some misunderstanding but I'm hoping it will come this or next week. I'll post it when I get it.

Epson.... :sleep::P

/Erik

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Almost precisely 10 years has passed since I stopped collecting. I quit completely, no collecting at all and not much time given to anything militaria related. But this spring I found myself at a militaria fair, got an impulse, bought a Soviet award. Guess I am hoked again.

I realise some of the people I spoke to ten years ago are or may be gone. I really apreciated all the help back then.

Now that I am back I understand the possibilitys researching awards changed thanks to podvig site. Did a search on this old bravery medal and found him. I will Post what I got to try to put a good end to this old thread.

Karl Petrovich Sprogis - Born 1899

Rank: Private
In the Red Army since 08.1941 Place of recruitment: Сабинский РВК, Татарская АССР, Сабинский р-н 
Place of service: 92 сп 201 сд ЗапФ 
Feat date: 20.12.1941,21.12.1941 

Award citation in attachment. Recommended for Order of the Red Banner!! but downgraded to Bravery Medal. Guess the Commisar did not agree to the recommendation. Any help translating the feat would be much appreciated, my russian are no good :)

Karl later received the defence of moscow medal, granted 31st august 1945 in Riga. No other awards given.

Still unsure why he received the bravery medal in 1945 for a feat done in 1941 and signed for in Jan 42. Could have been a POW but I do not know how to proceed to find this information.

/Erik

Bravery medal Full description of feat paper.jpg

Registration card.png

Moscow medal akt1 1-2.jpg

Moscow medal akt1 2-2.jpg

Close up on citation1228268806_Braverymedaldescriptionoffeat.thumb.jpg.a76c9258802fce6f011a6c29c86e595a.jpg

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Very nice 👍

In short, Sprogis evacuated 43 wounded soldiers from the battlefield over two days.

He served in an ambulance unit, so that figures.

What's interesting is that the last pages of his citation (317-319 on Podvig) show that the Red Banner was approved all the way up to the commander of the 33rd Army, Lieutenant-General Efremov (as well as the relevant commissar). There is no notice of a downgrade.

The  original recommendation looks highly inflated by 1942 standards. A Bravery Medal or Red Star was more fitting even by 1945 standards.

Here's the Podvig link for anyone following:

http://podvignaroda.mil.ru/?#id=10374574&tab=navDetailManAward

 

*edited to clarify misstatement on award inflation

Edited by RedMaestro

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Thank you for the additional information! 

I do like citations for saving others. When I have time I will try to translate the description in full. May take some time for me but will post when I have it :)

So no downgrade by the commissar, I just assumed since there is a "bravery medal" written over the citation.

Any idea why they would hand out a medal instead when an order were approved?

best regards

 

 

 

 

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