matteti

And here are details of the reverse...

I have had this group, which also include a Nevsky and some other orders and medals for some years, but I wanted to share with you that special Red Banner which has hand-engraved "Mon Dvor" mintmark. This is pretty rare variation.

Here is a pic of the medal bar (this is the middle Red Banner)

back view....

side view....

Bottom with some text, unreadable unfortunately...

Hello,

I have a non military item for which I am seeking help in identification and ballpark value. This is a old German porcelaine teapot which was made before the war (not sure if the person was speaking about WWI or WWII). The item belonged to the grand-mother of a friend of mine.

There is some marking on the bottom, but it's too faint to read. Anyway, here are some pics. any information as well as approximate value would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

I agree with Marc. The wreath leaves are way to fat for a start. I'd steer clear, looks like a bad copy to me.

Brendan

And why the heck is the serial number is the center medallion and not in the upper arm of the star?

Sorry then. I'm a purist - only complete groups. I'll have to pass on this group.

It's interesting to see that he got all these awards, but no HSU. If I remember well, there were many high rankings who got HSU without being directly involved in close combats.

No, no. I know the other medals don't match. That was just the only picture of the back of the Red Star I had, so that's what I used. Sorry for the confusion.

So now two people think it's an "8" and not a "1." This isn't good. Are there any other opinions about this number?

Somehow I sense that this entire research thing is going to be a disaster. I ordered research for the wrong red banner, got results for the an order of the red star that did not belong to the Trofimov group (but was included with it at purchase) when I asked for his award card, and still have not got anything for the Didusenko group even though results for it have arrived. Now this may be the award card for the wrong medal

-Alex

Alex, wait for other people to put their comments before starting to panic. It is not obvious what number it is. I just agreed with Ferdinand that in my opinion it seems to be a "8". It seems the document got a bit wet and the ink leaked..

If at the end it is determined that the award card is not the one for that order, maybe then you can get your researcher to research the good number for free or get reimbursed since it doesn't appear to be your error (assuming you provided him the right serial number).

And thanks for the clarification about the orders/medals showing on the first photo.

Here is a close up of the number from the scan. It's hard to tell. I hope you are wrong, because if not, then I got the wrong research.

For sure the award card doesn't match the orders/medals pictured.

Your photo has 1 Red Banner, 1 Red Star and 1 Medal for Bravery while the award card has 2 Red Star orders and 1 medal for bravery.. and the serial numbers don't match for any of them (except maybe the red star if the award card has a "1", but it seems more like a "8" to me as Ferdinand mentioned.

For reference, here is an order of precedence document I built myself from various sources (including the Red Bible and some websites). It shows the order of precedence both for awards on Uniforms (with position) and for ribbons bar.

After a period of silence, I have also heard that research on my awards is underway

I'll keep you gents posted...

Gilbert

Nice to hear! I'm happy for you!

I would be happy to hear if someone actually requested and got back a recent research from any source (including Alexei). I was going to submit a request, but I am a bit concerned to pay in advance and have my money frozen for an eternal time until I am finally told research is not possible....

I guess what I hold is at the bottom end of his biography

Nice to get a more complete view though on who he was.

Thanks,

Bob

Looks like Christophe was able to grab some of other Bazhanov stuff... http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/soviet-...zhanov-2-a.html

Nothing to say more than: excellent groups indeed...

Respectfully, I disagree with the previous statement. On the Kutuzov 1st class group, the serial number is very weird and seem to have been altered. On the other group, there are also very weird serial numbers engraving and ugly conversions to say the least... This is not what I call problem-free groups. Even if I could afford, I wouldn't buy groups like these.

But I guess these days, all the nice problem-free groups are in collectors hands and they keep them dearly... thus the reason why they don't show on the market.

Fully right!!!!

Cheers.

Ch.

Hello Bob,

Try googling his name in Cyrillic... Юрий Павлович Бажанов

Hi awards:

2 Orders of Lenin

3 Orders of Red banner

2 Orders of Kutuzov 1st class

1 Order of Suvorov 2nd class

1 Order of Kutuzov 2nd class

2 Orders of Red Star

+ medals

And here is a 'kind-of-translated' biography....

Yuri Pavlovich Bazhanov was born in the city of Kazat, Kiev oblast (now in Vinnytsia oblast) in railway-worker family. In 1920, joined the Red Army. In 1926 graduated from the Kiev artillery school, and in 1936 from the Artillery Academy. From 1938 to 1942 year he was chief of 1st Moscow artillery school. With the beginning of the Great Patriotic War in June 1941, formed the first battery of rocket-propelled mortars "Katyusha". from 1942 to 1944, was the chief of Task Force Guards mortar parts of North-West and 1st Baltic fronts. From August 1944 to March 1945 served as Deputy Commander of artillery 1st Baltic Front for the Guards mortar parts, in March - August 1945, Commander of the Army artillery, took part in the defeat Kvantunskoy army in Manchuria. After the war from 1949, he commanded the artillery of military district of Primorye (far East of Russia) artillery.

He graduated from the Military Academy of General Staff (1953), then commanded the artillery Far Eastern military district. Since 1955, and 1973 was the chief of the Kharkiv Military Engineering Academy radio air defense behalf Marshal Govorova Soviet Union. June 18, 1965 he was awarded the title "Marshal artillery".

Inside of doc

Hello Dmitri

Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

All the best

Snoopy

It was still the case in 2005... I've got a cased medal for 60 years of victory with Ukrainian document that I've received as a gift from a relative in Ukraine. They were awarding them in the spring of 2005 and there was some leftovers... so he was kind enough to think about me! This is why the document is not filled (they were pre-filled and were just missing the awardee name to be entered at the local awarding site).

My guess is that your two awards were not awarded with citations. I am writing this with info off the top of my head rather than what I actually have in my "archives" as reference, but I can't recall seeing a long service citation any later than 1948, and even that is unusual. Before people show me all the examples of long service awards citations they have from the 1960s and 70s, let me phrase my statement in the light of the Military Merit Medal, Red Star, Red Banner and Lenin that were given out automatically for certain years of service. I have seen plenty of other Red Banner, Red Star and Lenin citations post-1956 for awards that were most obviously long service (e.g. at retirement).

The majority of long service awards from the time you are referencing were awarded with just the Ukaz as the awarding authority vice a citation. Remember that the citation was a _request_ for the decoration to be awarded, whereas the Ukaz was the directive giving the award.

Thus, unless the person needed justification for the awarding of their long service award, they were simply awarded automatically to the recipient via the Ukaz (though probably by some means of application, but we'll never know that.)

Make sense?

Dave

Thanks Dave. And one of my groups (if not both) were researched by you. I presume if citation was available you would have got it together with the rest, right?

I just thought the citation could provide new information about the recipient I didn't already have with actual papers.

Now, this brings another question, how could I get the photocopy of the specific Ukaz applying to these long service awards and showing the list of recipients including my officer? I remember having seen scans here which listed a bunch of awardees names for a Red Banner long service. I would be ready to pay to obtain the two documents pertaining to my awards.

Thanks!

Gentlemen,

I have two nice groups for which I have almost 100% full research (over pages each). However, they each miss research for one long service award, one from 1949 and the other from 1956. But since their service record show info past those dates, I would believe the citations for the awards should be in the archives.

Is is possible to have researcher to do a second research on a group without having to pay agin for award card and service record which I already have?

If you know someone who can do this, please email or PM me contact information.

Thanks in advance!

What? You did't know the 'Frau' variation of the Oktyabr pin?

Here, it's not the description, but the item itself that is funny... I would call it the "All-Union Hairy-Bearded-Man Young Communist League" badge...

Lapa, This specific Tractor Lenin is another one of the awards featured in the McDanie book. Recently, Igor had a lot of awards that appeared in McDaniel book. I am wondering if they were all in the same collection and that person decided to part with his collection. Is it Paul himself?

Just to add my two cents on the Druzhinik badge posted by Snoopy... I agree with what Rick posted, but I also noticed last summer when I was in a Ukraine train, that aboard the train one of the stewardess, that seemed to have some authority on the others among other, was wearing such druzhinik badge, but with Ukraine colors (blue and yellow colors) which was very similar to the soviet one in shape and size and even design.

My understanding is that aboard every of their train they have such "auxiliary" police and it's a good thing when you see all those people drinking "samohon" and making noise all night!

Only problem, she was not really intimidating as we could expect from a druzhinik, but more pretty attractive...

Dear Paul,

that's a quite fair & moderate price, if you consider, that this ORB is a GPW & battle award, according to the s/n.

Best regards

Christian

Hello Christian. Not so sure it's a battle award. Could well be for 20 years of service.

According to my data, the number is in the range for November 3, 1944 long service Ukaz. Only research could provide a conclusive answer.

114934 03/11/1944

127731 31/07/44

133595 19/10/44

139041 11/1944

140534 11/1944

143574 08/1944

155077 06/06/45

155357 03/1944

172456 08/1944

173253 11/1944

177574 03/11/44

I didn't know the prices where that expensive for long service Red Banners!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...W:IT&ih=007

As the seller claimed... this is anot a common variation... only 20,000 awards of that very specific variation were made!!! This is the effect is variation, sub-variations and sub-sub-variations... every awards are different. Do they deserve to sell for so much because of that? I don't think so. As Bryan said, this is long service and that's what matter to me.