matteti

Very interesting thread Bryan. I wanted to make my very small contribution for a long time, but I hadn't posted enough messages to be allowed to post good quality scans. Now, I can!

RichieC, thanks for sharing your impressive collection of very nice photos!

Thank you guys for all the warm comments! Actually you all say I should research it, but as I said it has already been ordered, so it should come one day.

Very Nice group Bryan!

That's not so easy to find a documented Glory 3rd group. I wish your research will come back to you soon and with interesting citation.

Thanks a lot Rick for your detailed answers and very helpful information! You really know a lot and in various area!

Those were scans I had already in the PC. I will try to make new and better scans sometime later placing them sideway as you suggested and will post the ones still unclear.

There is a huge difference when scanning them sideways.. we can clearly see details of the golden surface on your scans... mines are all shredded wheats as you said!

Thanks again,

Etienne

For the ones in question, just scan ONE board... but also the underlay colors.

#3 is PROBABLY air force, but I cannot se enough color to tell. That could be 1943-58.

There is plain bright red for most army generals, but also a sort of maroon, and a purplie/red and ...

Here is the reverse for # 3. It is a blue that is pretty dark and which is close "green" color. But definitely blue. The scan color is not the best, it is darker in reality. It's definitely Air force... I bought it from Doug Drabik some years ago and if I remember correcly, he said they were the type used during late GPW and shortly after.

My answers in after your comments again..

8) military school cadet

9) Major but is this stripes added on top of plain cloth or woven into embroidered pattern top?

==> I would say woven into embroidered pattern top (I see a small tread, but it's nothing comparable to # 13 where you really feel the stripe is not is not part of the boards but sewn on top of it

10) army Warrant Officer for white shirts

11) parachute unit Lieutenant for white shirt

12) air force Senior Lieutenant 1949+

13) 2 red stripes sewn on plain cloth or all embroidered into a pattern together?

==> sewn on plain cloth, and the boards seem thinner than others, very soft surface and we clearly see sewn on stripes

14) army Captain field or overcoat see next

15) army Colonel field-- are these two stripes added onplain cloth or all in an embroidered pattern? If they are actually DARK GREEN as they look, circa 1958-69

==> in an embroided pattern, they are black with red striped

16) M1969 civil police (Militia) Junior Lieutenant for a form of dress with collar tabs

17) M1969 civil police Sergeant major for a form of dress without collar tabs

Most of these are probably 1980s, but a couple of the dark green ones are early 1960s and Generals with silver stars changed to gold stars ABOUT 1965, so silver stars are earlier.

I put my answers after your comments...

OK, these are very poor, very small scans, which makes accurate identifications difficult since the colors need to be PRECISE.

Another trick is: scan the boards SIDEWAYS and THEN turn them right side up. If you do it like that, the shadows will not turn the braid patterns into shredded wheat.

1) Junior Lieutenants to Captains (unissued) dress uniforms 1958+

2) are these GRAY SILKY MATERIAL or SILVER METALLIC BULLION? Underlay red or maroon or ?

==> You made me doubt and go back to my box deep in the wardrobe, but I found it and finally, it is silky embroidery, not metallic tread, only the star has metallic tread. Underlay is red.

3) army Major General pre-1965, underlay color = red, or ?

==> not red, but BLUE (feels like felt)

4) airforce (if that color blue is accurate) Jr Lt to Capt unissued ovecoat straps 1958+

5) army Major to Colonel field uniform boards-- GREEN or MUD colored tops?

==> Green like 'army green' (I just notice this one has a stamp which shows 1990 for date)

6) Rear Admiral 1958+

==> black (felt)

7) army Major General circa 1958-65. Underlay color = red or ?

==> RED (felt)

I tried to make the pictures very small not to use too many posts.

Here is what I was able to come to. Thanks Rick. I see that again you started to answer me very quickly.

I will try to re-scan them later on the other side as you suggested.

1- Junior Officer - ? - Parade - ?

2- Major General - Tank Troop - Service - Period?

3- Major General - Air Force - Parade? - Period?

4- Junior officer - Air Force - Field? - Period?

5- Senior Officer - ? - Field? - ?

6- Counter Admiral - Navy - Parade? - Period?

7- Major General - Tank Troop - Parade? - Period?

8- Kursuant - ? - ? - ?

9- Major - ? - ? -?

10- Junior Lieutenant - ? - ? - ?

11- Lieutenant - Airborne Troops - ? - ?

12- Senior Lieutenant - Air Force - Parade - ?

13- Senior Officer - ? - ? - ?

14- Captain - ? - ? - ?

15- Colonel - ? - ? - ?

16- Junior Lieutenant - ? - ? - ?

17- ? - ? - ? - ?

And finally, 16 and 17 here.

Same thing...

With 8-15 displayed this way:

8-9-10

11-12-13

14-15

Hello fellow members!

I have seventeen pairs of soviet shoulder boards and I would like to get some help for identification.

I would like to know get the rank (when there are stars on the boards), branch or army, parade/service/field, and approximate period.

I start with 1-7 in the following layout:

1-2-3

4-5-6

7

I see gold teeth!

And what do you guys see here?

Maybe one day those Red Star medallions will end-up on the Mother Hero backgrounds shown in first post to make the very rare soviet order of the "Bolshevik Hero"!

the seller issues his own certificate of authenticity though

That tells everything.

But if you wanted to try, you could always ask for high quality pic and post them here (or on the other forum) and have experts to look at it. I know Alexei, Paul J. S. and Andrei Kuznetsov among others are very helpful in this way.

http://coins-decorations.com/

this is the one I was referring to

Wow! Thanks Bob.

This site is full of obvious fake. And for some other, I am sure that a careful examination would reveal they are also fake. When you see that Title of Meritorious Pilot Badge sell for just 100$ more than a Navy Dagger (448$), you know something is really wrong.

Thanks Christian.

Being on the other side of the Atlantic, I haven't done many purchases in Europe other than very cheap items where that was ok to take a small risk. I will check his site by curiority, but that kind of price would be ridiculous if the awards were real. Even though at my level, I cannot even afford to dream at night of such awards, I would believe an authentic RB # 6 would be worth at least 50,000 USD (if not 100,000) . And who would buy such rare awards without knowing for sure the provenance and without a reliable certificate of authenticity.

Speaking about the labour Glory 1cl, there was a guy in Italy making some nice copies by hand. He can engrave the serial number you want on it. Other than the cold enamel, they look pretty convincing.

Best regards

First time I see a dealer forcing people to accept a use policy and to register in order to have the right to see the items for sale!

Dear Matteti,

I think, we are speaking about Kai Winkler's "Nordeheide-Versand" <a href="https://www.nordheideversand.de/" target="_blank">https://www.nordheideversand.de/</a> .

He offers "genuine" high-end items for a fraction of the current market price, i.e.: RB #6 for EUR 1.250,- or a Labour Glory 1cl for EUR 590,- .

Best regards

Christian

Thanks Christian.

Being on the other side of the Atlantic, I haven't done many purchases in Europe other than very cheap items where that was ok to take a small risk. I will check his site by curiority, but that kind of price would be ridiculous if the awards were real. Even though at my level, I cannot even afford to dream at night of such awards, I would believe an authentic RB # 6 would be worth at least 50,000 USD (if not 100,000) . And who would buy such rare awards without knowing for sure the provenance and without a reliable certificate of authenticity.

Speaking about the labour Glory 1cl, there was a guy in Italy making some nice copies by hand. He can engrave the serial number you want on it. Other than the cold enamel, they look pretty convincing.

Best regards

reverse...

Taraskin's Order of Glory 3rd Class (# 586312) Type 2 Variation 1, hand-engraved serial number

I was forgetting to post the Glory 3

Born 1914, village of Tenishevo, Mordovian SSR. Primary education, not a Party member,

In Red Army on 2nd White Russian Front from 22 June 19141 until wounded 11 March 1945. Discharged 10 July 1945 as Invalid of the 2nd Group.

Soldier ("soldat"), rifleman in 391st Rifles Regiment, 170th Rifles Division.

At the time his Awards Record Card was made out (15.2.48) he was a driver (sshofer) at the Krasnoslobodsky raion Consumers Union, living in Tenishevo.

The recommendation went in for a Military Merit Medal.

Thanks Rick! That's very fast service!

My understanding is that there was a decision (Ukaz) taken in 1947 to give Order of Glory 3rd class to all war invalids. I thought this was the reason why he got his order. But why was he recommended for a MMM if this is the case?

Might it be that there was MMM for a group of invalids while order of Glories were for another group?

Not a very special group, but still an interesting one because it's rare that we get documented Glory 3rd, and even rarer that we get a photo of the vet with it. It came with all documented medals and badge that he has on the photo.

Citation for the Glory 3rd:

Citation for the Glory 3rd:

Citation for the Glory 3rd:

Award Card:

Award Card:

Order Booklet: