Gordon Williamson

800 silver marked frame and loop. Note pointed ends to loop.

Another nice early one with unfinished eye.

Thank you gentlemen, I guess no comment is a comment.

Chris

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Looks like a pretty typical mid to late 80s piece, second type core and dipped eye.

And with its siblings, the vertical pin type and the late war zinker with L/53 mark.

Still looking for the hollow back version if anyone spots one for sale anywhere.

Reverse

Just arrived. The ugly duckling of the U-Boat badges

Badge for soldiers who had honourably completed their military service

Reverse. Kanji read "Taisho 3rd - 4th Years War"

Obverse - As usual the Bar reads "War Medal"

Awarded to Japanese troops who fought alongside the British to capture the German port of Tsingtao and to Japanese Naval Forces who captured German ports in the South Seas. Instituted 6 November 1915.

Afraid not, the ones I posted above are the only ones offered off the ribbon bar mounts.

For Rick,

As requested, the Schickle catalogue page showing the part numbers for the ribbon eagles.

Another to a civilian employee, late war style. Issued at FHQ with facsimile Keitel sig.

And the "4".

Not the smallest Spange, but .....

Must admit I have never tried to do any matching. The Schickle images are indeed photographic but some have had slight "enhancing" , especially things like the EKs where the details of the black centres wouldn't show up to well on a normal photo. Here is a larger image of the EK1.

Even if yours are drawings, I would think that the fact they drew a Schinkelform rather than a regular type would suggest that's what they were offering for sale at the time. I'm sure the artists would have been capable of accurately reflecting the style. There are clearly several genuine variants of Schikelform cross so the likelyhood of several firms making them is logical enough.

P.S., If the image looks a little distorted its because the thick cartridge type paper of the catalogue is a little "rippled" due probably to damp storage at some time.

Mis-spellings like these are often the cause of near hysterical claims of "fake", but frankly it doesn't surprise much that these will turn out to be genuine. Lets face it, these paper envelopes aren't all that "important" in the grand scheme of things and small errors like these, even if noticed, may well have been simply ignored.

If one of Germany's top craftsmen was able to mis-spell the name of his country " Grossduetschen" rather than "Grossdeutschen" when crafting one of the countries most prestigeous awards, the Grand Admirals Baton for D?nitz, it kind of puts small errors like this into perspective.

Reverse

The Cross obverse

Edge of carton

Almost certainly just a retailer rather than maker, but the first outer carton I've seen from anyone other than a recognised manufacturer.

Steinhauer at least managed to group theirs logically !

One would have thought it would be more appropriate to show their EKs rather than KVKs along with the RK.

However, the fold out supplement pages in the same catalogue show only standard EK and RK.

Interesting also that no attempt to show a range of grades of the same award, or at least related stuff, these catalogues often jumble what appear to be totally unrelated awards together.

An interesting clue as to when the "normal" EK2 style replaced the earlier "Schinkel" style.

Here is the Iron Crosses page from the early 1940 catalogue from Otto Schickle, note that the Iron Crosses are the narrow armed Schinkelform.