Gordon Williamson

The hardware and maker mark look convincing but I have never seen these heavy striations (which are a must for original Walter Schott badges) on a Meybauer. There are also several differences in die characteristics from known genuine Meybauers the most obvious of which is the cross in the centre of the crown. On Meybauers the horizontal crossbar should sit visibly above centre whereas this one seems to be just about bang in the middle.

(Never fails to impress me just how crisp and clear some of these old photos can be.)

This newly awarded EK2 has been attached to the tunic reverse side out, amazingly clear image..

Is there an example of CE JUNCKER on a naval badge? Especially the AC badge? John

 

The late Bill Stump is one of the few collectors I know who had a Juncker marked AC and Kai Winkler has had one for sale in the past. The mark is stamped rather than raised. Here is the pic I got from Bill showing the maker mark on his. (CEJUNCKER / BERLIN SW)

Absolutely original. Difficult to find this maker with full gilding still intact.

I've just had a thought. The L/18 badges comes in two styles. The early one is of the Schickle/Zimmermann style but the later zinc model is of the FO style.

Maybe its just possible that Schickle too changed from the same early style in tombak, to the same FO style in zinc ??

As far as I believe, the Floch made U-Boat badges are the tombak Frank & Reif marked pieces, I haven't heard of a Floch U-Boat badge in zinc.

The signature is correct (Georg Schewe), I have seen and had others signed by him with the stamp of U-St?tzpunkt Flensburg

And the matching fake Second Class

East European copy of the First Class, marked 800 GODET.

A massive silver casting, with typical poor definition "soft" cast details. Marked 800 on the suspension eye.

This one is more accurate in its design ( no swas on wreath) but a poor quality casting.

An old Souval fake. Pretty good apart from the obvious postwar Souval retaining clip.

Hi Jan Arne,

Don't know how much it will help but here is Steinhauer's original catalogue illustration of their Panzer Badge. Even with the limitations of a catalogue illustration, I can see several differences.

Good original piece. I don't think the manufacturer of this type has been identified. Quite similar to Klein and Quenzer but not exactly the same.

Paul,

Suprisingly, quite a few makers offered both cut out and solid swas on their U-Boat badges (f.o. is another for example).

Its also interesting that the Steinhauer catalogue shows a U-Boat badge style which also matches Schwerin's badge, though I have never seen an original maker marked Steinhauer either.

For quite a long time people were identifying the Deumer's as unmarked late war Schwerins. There have been several "candidates" for zink Schwerins but I have never seen one that I'd accept wholeheartedly.

I tend to agree on it being 3rd Reich period, or at least post WW1. Strange though it may seem, the full range of 1870 pieces to include the Grand Cross were made during the 3rd Reich period, but I'd suggest more as museum display pieces than as replacements for veterans. They were also made using the standard Third Reich style frames.

Paul,

You are quite right on the first one, definitely a Mayer badge. Easy to overlook the solid top to the swas (I did for ages until Michel pointed it out to me) , otherwise they are identical to Zimmermann.

I've yet to see a zinc badge that I'd be convinced was a Schwerin. Hardware often varied between examples of the same badge by one maker so I wouldn't take hardware alone as being sufficient to identify a maker ( unless it was a pretty much unique set up, like Foerster & Barths or "Wernstein".)

It is typical for Deumer to have a pin which projects down lower than the bottom edge of the badfge.

I don't like this L15 marked one either. It is marked for Schickle, but the pic below is is the type of badge made by Schickle and shown in their catalogue.

Paul.

He was with Hermann Goring Div. Most of what he passed on was info re the uniforms etc. Yes, he wore orange Waffenfarbe.

Also of particular interest is the cuffband.

Came across the original wartime print of this the other day. It came direct from the soldier in the photo who confirmed that his unit wore field grey, not field blue.

Sorry, but this is a copy. The protruding horizontal stroke at the top of the letter "o" in the maker mark gives this one away.

Good original piece. Believed by many to be unmarked Juncker.

The only accurate type of fake I've seen, with the correct eagle.

This thread shows the U-Boat badge thought by many to be the type made by Juncker.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6865

This one seems totally different in design and with a pin/hinge set nowhere near the quality I'd expect on a badge from one of the major manufacturers.

I'd be very, very sceptical.

Excellent ! Thanks Micha, another mystery solved.