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    Gordon Williamson

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    1. Very nice Gordon. Just recently I obtained Forman's two book edition of Documents. These examples of yours are textbook to what Mr. Forman has listed in his book.

      Very nice .. and like you mention .. some are extremely rare pieces  :food-smiley-004:

      Glad you like them. I'll start another thread to show one of the most incredible document sets I've ever owned, not U-Boat this time but to a crewman of the Admiral Hipper. It will take some time as there are dozens of docs, so I will only list the really interesting ones.

    2. The next type to be introduced had the foliage border replaced by a decorative geometric pattern. This example was awarded to a member of the crew of U-375. A type VIIC, she served in the Mediterranean, operating out of La Spezia and sank 7 enemy ships. She was sunk by a US sub-chaser on 10 July 1943. No survivors.

      Award docs to "Mediterranean" U-Boats are extremely rare.

    3. Just to accompany the thread on U-Boat Badges, here are some of the docs that go with them.

      This first one is the earliest type, with foliage border around the edge. This example is very early. The badge was awarded after the second war cruise. To have earned the U-Boat badge by January 1940, this sailor, a crewman on U-61 would have done his first cruise in November 1939, operating out of Wilhelmshaven and returning there on 3 December 1939. His second cruise, particularly interesting for me, was a minelaying operation in the Firth of Forth just a few miles from where I live. U-61 was a small Type IIC coastal boat, but fairly successful with six sinkings before she was retired to training school duties in November 1940. Thereafter, Starke served on U-588, a Type VIIC under Kapi?nleutnant Viktor Vogel. After sinking six enemy ships her luck ran out and she was sunk with depth charges by two Canadian warships, HMCS Wetaskiwin and HMCS Skeena. No survivors.

    4. Dave, as to the criteria for being awarded these, the reality seems to have been it was on the recommendation of the U-Boat captain as to which members of his crew he felt were most deserving. There wasn't the sort of laid down criteria as for the bronze/silver/gold Luft flight clasps that these resemble.

      One German Cross winner I spoke to said he really rated the Bronze version but felt that in the last days, the silver were given out more freely if you happened to be at the right place at the right time. Bottom line really though was that anyone who actually lived long enough to get one in the late days of the war was a bit special.

    5. There are two types known of this award. The first is die struck (or die "forged" ) and has separately applied hook and hinge and an oval recess behind the central motif similar to that found with Luft Flight Clasps.

      When first stamped out the planchette has excess "flashing" of metal in the centre and around the edges, which is removed with a cropping tool, this giving the edges a "sheared" look just like regular tombak die struck awards.

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