Gordon Williamson

Tony,

No worries on your EK1, it's a good piece.

Moi,dodgy!! .............I am deeply offended  

Gordon,could you possibly start a thread about those U-boat Combat clasps?.....I'm pretty unfamiliar with them.

Cheers

Dave

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Will do

Great photo Gordon,that RK sure does look familiar

Yeah, got it from some dodgy geezer in Telford. Maybe you know him ?

Jim,

An "84" without doubt.

Dave, Very very nice. If you ever get bored with them....

Very nice Dave. Just to continue the theme............

Very nice indeed Don ! Detlev lists the value of the clasps as just $25, but for something valued so low, you hardly ever seem to see them.

Same with the clasps to the Kyffh?user Medal, they are only valued at $25 too, I have been looking for the "U-Boot-Krieg" clasp for years and never seen one.

I'd agree the case is definitely OK. The Cross may well be OK too but close-up scans of the obverse would be needed to be sure. I think that the pin has been replaced. Its the wrong shaped pin for a "50" and it looks like it has had to be filed thinner near the top to fit into the hinge block.

Given the quality of some of the fake KVK1s that have appeared recently, definitely one that would need a bit more investigation.

Can anyone post pictures of the RKs in Gold ? What is the general consensus of opinion on these awards ?

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I should be able to show some images of the Gold RK shortly. I've only ever seen two, Deschler and Zimmermann, and both were with Swords, undoubtedly real. The grade ever actually awarded however, was Gold without Swords. I've never seen one of these.

Silver mark 900 and Zimmermann maker mark 20

Reverse

Obverse close up

Just arrived

Hmmmm...... Well, you know I might be tempted to trade my little collection for an old beat up RK if you're interested??? 

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JIm,

Sorry, don't have any old beat up RKs, they are all rather nice ones.

I'm expecting the Zimmermann RK to arrive today ot tomorrow and will post some pics when it does.

Dietrich, VERY nice miniatures.

Having mentioned these postcards with the KVK earlier in this thread, these were found on Militariaweb for just 15 euro each.

Nice.  And in beautiful condition.

I bet Gordon will love these.

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Indeed ! Very nice Scott !

Don't give up, one may well turn up. It is a fact that W?chtler & Lang made the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, but no one has ever been able to produce a verified specimen of one.

Very nice.  You know, I was very happy with my little sample collection of these KVK's,

And quite rightly too ! I don't buy into the "Quality vs Quantity" bull that is often spouted by some. I have in the past on occasion traded Knight's Crosses away for interesting groupings of "lesser" items, and would do so again in a heartbeat if the right stuff came along. Of all the pieces I consider my "favourites", the Knight's Crosses I have aren't even in the top ten.

Going through my images files to see what else I have, this is a anice example of the Prinzen sized Spange with instead of the usual two separate prongs, a centrally mounted "split-pin" type prong for fitting through the hole provided in the metal backing plate of a parade mounted ribbon bar."

Again, this is a simple generic LDO box, not specific to the Spange.

Yes, it's an L/13 Meybauer. I no longer have it as I don't collect any L/ numbered private purchase pieces, only official award pieces so anly L/ numbered items I acquire usually get traded away.

Well, for once I didn't get the "Sorry sold" message from Detlev, and this little Zimmermann beauty will soon be winging its way to Scotland.

Dave,

From "Deutsche Uniform Zeitschrift", the "trade-paper" of the uniforms and medals industry.

Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse 1939

mit Nadel...............................Etui..........RM 3.64 (RM 5.25)

mit Nadel...............................Beutel.......RM 2.94 (RM 4,25)

mit Schraube..........................Etui..........RM 4.28 (RM 6.20)

mit Schraube..........................Beutel......RM 3.58 (RM 5.20)

If we assume that the unit price of the paper bag or "Beutel" was negiligible (Lets face it any shop you buy something isn't going to charge you for the paper bag you put stuff in), then the case cost around RM 0.70 for both pinback and screwback versions, both the same price. Be nice if that was still true , eh ?

In the above prices, a Screwback was 17% more than a pinback. Be nice if that was still the case too. But of course back then the price differential related to the extra work in making a screwback with no "rarity premium".

Jim,

Nice looking Spange. The box may well be real but it is a generic box, not specific to the Spange, but could be used I suspect for just about anything of a suitable size.

Original period announcements in "Schwert und Spaten" specified the boxes / cartons for each award. For the Clasp to the Iron Cross 2nd Class it is described thus ;

"Karton, grau, f?r die Spange zum E.K. II Kl."

Like this

Very late war doc to a sailor in the naval base at St. Nazaire with his Soldbuch

This is the military version of the document for the KVK2 without Swords, Hitler is referred to in the civilian version as just "Der F?hrer" but in the military version ( which is A5 as opposed to the civilian A4) also as "Obersten Befehlshaber der Wehrmacht"

This one to an office worker at the Army Munitions/Armaments Office.

KVK2 without Swords to a Departmental Secretary in Erwitte. This is the "Civilian" version of the KVK2 without Swords document Quite an impressive doc for such a lowly award.