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      Americans awarding Americans with 3rd class Glory`s

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

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      Could the US guys serving in Korea a few years later still wear the Soviet award from 1945 or was that a nono ?

      Chris,

      It's unlikely for a couple of reasons: 1) many of the enlisted and officer ranks who were awarded Soviet decorations would have demobilized immediately at war's end and would not have been on active duty during the Korean War; 2) for those career enlisted men/officers/GOs still on active duty, I can only surmise that like their Soviet counterparts who received Allied decorations, they opted (or were instructed from high) not to wear decorations of a now "adversarial" nation.

      The present day U.S. Army has a procedure to request approval to wear awarded foreign decorations and badges. Relatedly, it also maintains a list of foreigh badges authorized for wear on the U.S. Army service uniform. I do not know if a similar request/authorization system was in place in the 1940s and 1950s.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      Americans awarding Americans with 3rd class Glory`s

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by slava1stclass

      I'm thinking this photo is a bit out of context. I would venture to bet that if it continued to the right, you'd see a Soviet officer pinning on the award. The Americans are officers, probably the unit commander and his deputy, congratulating the soldier after the award was pinned on.

      Dave

      I've seen the other photos from this awarding ceremony, and the awards are being pinned on by a Soviet officer. This ceremony, if I remember correctly, took place in Germany in May 1945.

      Yes, most US awards to Soviets were given without US represenation, much like the 1945 awardings of Soviet awards to US Navy personnel...most of them received their awards in the mail. (Just talked to a family of an Ushakov medal recipient this morning about that, in fact...)

      Well Dave, why don't you say so from the very beginning?

      All these "would", "venture" and "bet" ...

      Looks like you are really into suspense ;)

      Gents,

      NavyFCO is correct. This image depicts U.S. Army officers (note .45 cal sidearms) congratulating fellow 2nd Infantry Division soldiers who were just presented the Order of Glory 3rd Class by a Red Army general officer. I first posted this image over five years ago: http://gmic.co.uk/in...id/#entry200707

      The likely presentation site, however, is Czechoslovakia based on the 2nd ID's location at war's end as well as separate, but related images of similar presentations to 2nd ID personnel.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      U.S. Army Decorations Awarded to Red Army Personnel in World War II

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by slava1stclass

      Gents,

      The G.O. in post #62 above is aviation Maj Gen I. D. Antoshkin. He was killed in a UT-2 plane crash in May 1944. Earned his HSU during the 1940 Soviet-Finnish war.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

      Now we who he is ;)

      Nick,

      Thanks for the additional images - the one of the DSM to the Senior Sergeant is nice. As for Maj Gen Antoshkin, we had his I.D. down some time ago.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

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      Gents,

      It always disheartens me to see the very obvious gold check "slices" and "gouges" on Glory 1st Class orders. I've encountered these unsightly, intentional disfigurements made by less-than-well educated middlemen on specimens for sale as far back as the early to mid '90s.

      As a collector, one must assess whether the presence of such blemishes outweighs the opportunity to purchase either a loose Glory 1st or one that is part of a Full Cavalier set. Given the Glory 1st's relative rarity (compared to the HSU gold star for instance) and pure combat-related pedigree, it can be a touchy call.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by slava1stclass

      Gents,

      The well-known NYC-area dealer is currently offering this composite Full Cavalier set for $14,000.00 - his first Full Cavalier set offering in seven months. It is a composite set because the Order of Glory 2nd Class, while original, had its original serial number altered to match this recipient's Order of Glory 2nd Class' serial number. This is a Category 4 set in that it includes the recipient's Ordenskaya Knizkha (see post #1 above for explantion of categories).

      The question is whether one would be comfortable purchasing a "Full Cavalier set" wherein one of the orders is not original to the set. His $14,000.00 asking price would seem to account for this discrepancy.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted · Edited by slava1stclass

      Gents,

      This is the first single Glory 1st Class offered by the well-known NYC-area dealer in quite some time. Asking price: $9,000.00. Condition is average. This price is broadly in line with the asking price he tagged to the last single Glory 1st Class he had for sale. That said, the world's continuing economic malaise has dampened any market-influenced price inflation.

      He has listed this one before. Way back in September 2001, he offered it for $1,575.00. At the current asking price, a 471% return on investment is not all too shabby.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      If there are no sellers, then it may be an indication pointing towards most of the groups being in the hands of affluent people who are less affected by the recession, don't "need" to sell, and won't sell unless they get a great price for it.

      Maybe it's because those people bought their sets at inflated prices? And there's less and less ones left in the hands of family members who may look to sell to collectors?

      Bob,

      Concur in your thinking as spelled out in point one above.

      Depending on how many years ago one "bought in", your second point may also hold true - although to a lesser degree.

      One thing that is undisputed (and has been the case for at least ten years) is that the flow from the East is nothing like it was in the early 90's to very early 00's. Even if Full Cavalier sets were to surface in the East today, they would likely remain in place given the much changed income demographic among certain strata of Russian/Ukrainian society.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      Gents,

      Other than the occasional fake Full Cavalier set listing on eBay, there have been no original Full Cavalier sets to hit the open market for many months now. The continuing down economy (especially in Europe and the United States) undoubtedly plays a large role in this fact. It remains to be seen if we'll again experience the go-go days of the late '90s/early 00s when new Full Cavalier sets and single Glory 1s were hitting the market with much greater regularity.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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      Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

      in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations

      Posted

      Gents,

      The new year brings a new offering - Order of Glory 1st Class (s/n 812) with an asking price of $8,500.00. I would assess it as falling in the 5 to 6 range (out of 10) on the condition scale. Unfortunately, no original documentation comes with the order.

      I can only assume the world economy's continuing malaise is the catalyst prying loose the recent Glory 1st Class orders we've seen enter the market from private collections.

      Regards,

      slava1stclass

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