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I like it.

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A nice example of a hybrid Category 2 (see post # 1 above) Full Cavalier booklet. It is classified as a hybrid since it lacks the date of issue, but displays the issuing military commissariat's official stamp.

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Full Cavalier of the Order of Labor Glory M. N. Radkov. As a machine excavator operator, he was awarded all three classes for his contributions to building the Baikal-Amur Motorway.

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Yet further proof of Allied solidarity during World War II/the Great Patriotic War.

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Guards Captain V.I. Andrianov

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Although unable to become Full Cavaliers of the Order of the Glory once promoted to Lieutenant, these two Soviet aviators didn't fare too badly once everything was said and done.

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Guards Captain T. Ya. Begeldinov

You're welcome Let's hope someone can decipher the details!

Ed,

His naval rating (military occupational specialty) is listed as radio-telegraph operator.

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I'd still get the real things. As we now see very clearly, that book is far less than accurate.

Ed,

The real take away from this case is that even archival research, to wit: Gnitienko's Special Awards Record Card (SARC), was found to be in error.

The people who compiled the book listing the serial numbers of all Orders of Glory for the Full Cavaliers used these SARCs as their sourcing.

All of us (Paul McDaniel, Dudeman, NavyFCO and myself) found it difficult to believe that something as important as a Full Cavalier's records could be prone to administrative error. We went with the standard convention that archival research (in this case Gnitienko's SARC) was gospel - until this case demonstrated otherwise.

This only begs the question of how many other Gnitienko-like errors are out there.

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slava1stclass

To all:

Dave captures my sentiments exactly - sentiments which I've expressed in some of the earliest posts in this thread.

- Do the three Orders of Glory alleged to have been awarded to G. appear legit - yes.

- Does G's Full Cavalier booklet appear legit (the Order of Glory 1st Class s/n number discrepancy aside) - yes.

- Would I personally want to include this set in my own Full Cavalier collection knowing what we know (or better yet, don't know) - no.

Don't take me wrong, I certainly wish Herr Zulus good luck in his search for indisputable hard evidence to clarify/justify this exceptional case. Absent such proof, however, a heavy cloud of suspicion/doubt will always hang over this set for the reasons Dave has so clearly articulated.

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Herr Zulus,

I am very happy that the "heavy cloud of suspicion/doubt" concerning this set has now been lifted and that sunny skies are shining upon you. Congratulations! You certainly did the right thing by following our advice and securing the last (and most critical) piece of evidence - the Awards Record Card.

As I said all along, the orders themselves looked fine and the Full Cavalier booklet looked fine (again, I have yet to encounter a fake/counterfeit Full Cavalier booklet).

After reviewing the awards record cards a few observations:

1) There is nothing to suggest/indicate how serial # 3646 came to be recorded as that for his Order of Glory 1st Class on his Special Awards Record Card. We will likely never know.

2) His erroneously twice-issued Order of Glory 2nd Class, serial # 47164, was returned to the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, USSR on March 17th, 1981.

Hope this helps. Congratulations again and welcome to the exclusive club of Category 1 Full Cavalier set owners!

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slava1stclass

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An interesting photograph of infamous Soviet SMERSH Chief, Colonel General Viktor Semyonovich Abakumov, seen in his M1945 Victory Parade uniform. Good thing, too, as he never got to wear the M1954 VP uniform. He was executed on December 18th, 1954 for his role in the "Leningrad Affair."

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I am aware of one such case wherein an enlisted man was awarded two classes of the Saint George Cross for Bravery during World War I and later was awarded two classes of the Order of Glory during the Great Patriotic War - a double double if you will.

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The Soviet soldier referenced above is S. T. Kuzin.

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I'm trying to imagine capturing an armored car while on horseback... didn't work too well for the Poles in 1939!

On the Orders Book and his ARC, last name is spelled "Degtyar," while everywhere else it is "Dikhtyar."

This is quite a bunch orf real COMBAT multiple-valor awards "other ranks" groups you've posted today, Ed!

Rick,

In post # 5 it's down as "Dekhtyar."

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Not yet fully researched, but whatever I can get will come along here.

Guards Senior Sergeant (later Police Sergeant-Major) Aleksandr ??? Panfilenko.

As always, any and all information is appreciated.

Ed,

His patronymic is Petrovich.

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Corporal Aleksandr Pavlovich Dikhtyar, Horse Scout Platoon, 1127th Rifle Regiment., 337th Lubyansk Red Banner Order of Suvorov Order of Bogdan Khemelnitsky Rifle Division, 27th Army

Ed,

His last name is Dekhtyar.

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One final unidentified Full Cavalier.

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To all:

Another shot of Sergeant Aleksey Strakhov (post # 2 above) seen at at his Kremlin guard post.

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Thanks, "slava". These are groups to dream of seeing (or even to get the names and have the research pulled, just to flesh out the tale).

Unfortunately, most of what we see are the "career" tyypes, and you right to remind us of the more invisible "short-timers".

I assume the wearing of the St. George Cross and Medal was an exception to a more general ban on wearing the orders? Although I still think you'd have to be pretty brave, or pretty stupid, to wear even these in the 1920s or 1930s?

Ed,

You're welcome. I will provide the name and source citation for the double-double winner I mentioned above as well as any other cases I can verify after I have an opportunity to review my source material.

Unfortunately, I'm unable to comment on the official policies and/or general practice governing the wear of these decorations during the inter-war period. It is an area outside the scope of my personal expertise.

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slava1stclass

Amazing photos! Thank you all for the clarification. One thing that I have noticed is that I do not see any photos of men who were enlisted in BOTH WW1 and WW2. Would that not be the most amazing group! Someone who was a Cavalier of both awards?? Not completely out of the realm of possibility! He could be in his early 40s!

Paul

PaulR,

My area of expertise is Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory. I need to check my references, however, concerning possible "double" Full Cavalier winners i.e., Saint George Cross for Bravery and the Order of Glory.

There are documented instances of Soviet enlisted men who were awarded the Saint George Cross during World War I who were later awarded the Order of Glory during the Great Patriotic War. I am aware of one such case wherein an enlisted man was awarded two classes of the Saint George Cross for Bravery and later was awarded two classes of the Order of Glory - a double double if you will.

Not all enlisted men of World War I who were Saint George Cross winners went on to become officers. The vast majority were demob'ed after that war only to be remob'ed during the Great Patriotic War. It's not as much of a dream as Ed suggests.

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Were these men allowed to wear their medals once the Communist Regime gained power?

PaulR,

Excellent question. The answer is yes. One must consider, however, that 23 years had passed from the end of World War I to the start of the Great Patriotic War. Throw in Stalin's purges of the late 1930s and it is amazing that some of these guys were still aound.

Among them was Full Cavalier of all four classes of the Saint George Cross for Bravery, Colonel General K. P. Trubnikov. Trubnikov earned his as an enlisted man in World War I. Seen here in his M1945 Victory Parade dress uniform, note that in addition to his Saint George Crosses, he also wears at least three other imperial medals in the same row.

As Rick L. is fond of saying, the proof is in the picture. Hope this helps.

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slava1stclass

To all:

Sergeant Aleksey Strakhov, 16th East Siberian Rifle Regiment. Won all four classes during the China campaigns in World War I.

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To all:

While not my area of expertise, this is nonetheless one sharp Full Cavalier of an earlier generation. Praporshchik I. D. Podolyakin became a Full Cavalier of all four classes of the Saint George Cross for Bravery during World War I.

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A very nice shot of Hero of the Soviet Union A. N. Kukharenko proudly wearing his British-awarded Distinguished Flying Cross.

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The supporting documentation.

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Need I say more?

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For your viewing pleasure.

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