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4 hours ago, Egorka said:
Hello,
OGIII # 173482 bestowed on private BACHURA Stepan Dmitrievich, (25.05.1917 - 25.01.1993). One of the 2678 full cavaliers of Order of Glory.
Gents,
One correction. All told, there were 2,656 Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory.
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slava1stclass
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On 8/2/2017 at 11:29, slava1stclass said:
Gents,
This well-worn OGI (trust me, I have seen much worse) was just listed on the well-known NYC-area dealer's site. Asking price: $7,900.00. It was awarded to a Junior Sergeant who served as a machine gunner in a Rifle Division.
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slava1stclass
Gents,
It is no longer available.
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slava1stclass
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On 10/21/2014 at 11:03, slava1stclass said:
Gents,
As GHB notes, this is clearly a "thrown together" Full Cavalier "set." While OGI s/n 2174 is legit, it was never officially awarded and therefore has no associated OGII or OGIII.
The "advertised" OGII is a doctored OGIII. The "advertised" OGIII appears legit.
In offering OGI s/n 2174 as part of a "Full Cavalier set", the seller is simply trying to move the OGI at his original asking price for the OGI as a stand-alone piece. Steer clear.
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slava1stclass
Gents,
Last listed for a BIN price of $11,999.00 on the well-known auction site in late February 2016, it is once again listed for sale there. He has increased the BIN price to $12,499.00. Fake sets are subject to inflation too you know...
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
This very nice Full Cavalier set includes the Full Cavalier booklet. It is offered for sale in the former Soyuz. At the current exchange rate, the asking price is $22,879.00.
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
This well-worn OGI (trust me, I have seen much worse) was just listed on the well-known NYC-area dealer's site. Asking price: $7,900.00. It was awarded to a Junior Sergeant who served as a machine gunner in a Rifle Division.
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slava1stclass
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On 12/13/2007 at 20:54, James T said:
I purchased this small group years ago, that is suppose to have been Sargent Major Petr Popov of the 62nd Guards Cavalry Division before he was awarded the Hero Star. The order booklet list the date of 1946 listing the medals shown. If I understand this correctly the 1943 date would be the actual award period for the medals and the 1946 date would be the date of the replacement book?
I do not have a listing of who was awarded the Hero Star so mabe the whole story is just that. It just seems strange that from 1943 to 1946 he had not been awarded the Hero Star, and it came later?
Any help on this would be appreciated.
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Jim
Jim/Gents,
Availing myself of the podvignaroda.ru site (which was not available in 2007), here is what I can confirm from the Russian MOD archives:
1) The only Попов, Пётр Дмитриевич who earned these three specific awards was a HSU Guards Sergeant Major assigned to the 62nd Guards Cavalry Regiment, 16th Guards Cavalry Division. He was born in 1895.
2) The award dates for his awards were:
HSU title (with Gold Star Medal and Order of Lenin) - 15 January 1944 (as a Guards Sergeant)
OPWII - 15 June 1945 (as a Guards Sergeant Major)
ORS - 23 January 1944 (as a Guards Sergeant)
BM - 25 September 1943 (as a Guards Junior Sergeant - his year of birth was incorrectly recorded as 1905 when the archives set up the digital database. 1895 (very blurry) is in fact recorded on the award Ukaz)
3) The award recommendation for his final award - the OPWII - lists his HSU title, his ORS and his BM with all the Ukaz dates matching those in 2) above. A Medal for the Defense of Stalingrad is also listed.
You would need to order an awards record card (ARC) from one of the forum members who specializes in that area. I have personally used the service which forum member "Ferdinand" (see post #11 this thread) offers and have been very well pleased.
In receiving the ARC, you'll be able to confirm whether the serial numbers of the awards you own match those awarded to HSU Guards Sergeant Major Пётр Дмитриевич Попов. The ARC may also list the serial number present on the Ordenskaya Knizhka (award booklet) you possess with this group.
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
My above post (post #334 this thread) was updated to provide details on the video which Liopa shared.
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slava1stclass
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On 7/7/2017 at 22:09, Liopa said:
Gents,
Thanks to Liopa for posting.
More accurately, the award ceremony involved a U.S. Army brigadier general from the 11th Armored Division presenting the awards to the Soviets. After a bit of research, this is what is depicted:
"American Generals Discuss Boundaries, Austria, May 12, 1945. U.S. Brigadier General Holmes Dager of the 11th Armored Division meets Lieutenant General Rubanyuk (Иван Андреевич Рубанюк), Commanding General, 10th Guards Rifle Corps, 46th Army, 4th Ukrainian Front and discusses boundaries and future plans. General Dager presents the Legion of Merit and Silver Star to the Russian general and his staff."
At war's end, the 11th Armored Division was in the vicinity of Linz, Austria.
Judging from the video, the lieutenant from the 101st Airborne Division was detailed to serve as the official interpreter that day. The sharp eyed among you will have also noted he wears the Soviet Guards badge on his right breast pocket which was likely awarded at an earlier time. Based on their shoulder patches, the other U.S. Army officers in the video were assigned to the armored division .
It was also interesting to note the Soviets received the decorations' award cases at the end of the ceremony.
Dager retired from active service in 1947 as a Major General. His final assignment was as Commanding General, U.S. Forces, Austria. Highly decorated for valor, numbering among Dager's awards were the:
Distinguished Service Cross
Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star Medal with Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Legion of Merit
Bronze Star Medal with two Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
World War I Victory Medal
American Defense Service Medal
American Campaign Service Medal
European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal
World War II Victory Medal
Presidential Unit CitationRegards,
slava1stclass
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On 7/1/2017 at 16:46, Christian Zulus said:
Well, the prices of Soviet medals will go up and down, as the history since 1992 showed, but rather high-end items with documentation will always have a sort of eternal value. The decline of US-propaganda in the world and the re-writing of the history of World War II might increase - in the long run - the interest in documented Soviet awards, I guess.
Gents,
One of the major drivers in publishing my book on the Full Cavaliers of the Soviet Order of Glory was just that - to advance awareness and understanding of Soviet soldier valor in the Second World War among English speakers. While much about them is written in Russian, Ukrainian and other languages of the former USSR, precious little is available in English.
Whether my book might also have the secondary effect of influencing the collector market in the West remains an open question - although it cannot be discounted.
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slava1stclass
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On 5/19/2017 at 13:17, slava1stclass said:
Gents,
Currently available on the well-known auction site with an opening bid of 99 U.S. cents. Auction runs for 10 days. This OGII was awarded to Full Cavalier Guards Sergeant Major Nikolay K. Moroz.
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slava1stclass
Gents,
It sold for $510.00.
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
Currently available on the well-known auction site with an opening bid of 99 U.S. cents. Auction runs for 10 days. This OGII was awarded to Full Cavalier Guards Sergeant Major Nikolay K. Moroz.
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slava1stclass
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On 5/15/2006 at 21:21, NavyFCO said:
I bet you all haven't seen an award card like this before!
I'll let folks stretch their Cyrillic reading abilities to figure out who this award card belonged to...
Dave
On 5/15/2006 at 21:23, NavyFCO said:And the reverse...
On 5/16/2006 at 07:44, slava1stclass said:To all:
I have examined his Kutuzov 1st Class. Very nice example indeed.
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slava1stclass
On 5/20/2006 at 14:23, Mondvor said:About Bradley's Award Record Card... Are you sure this document is real? First there is no seal on that document. Second - there is a mistake in the entry about Suvorov 1st class. This order could not be awarded by 1st Ukrainian Front Prikaz. In according with the statute of this order it could be awarded only with a Supreme Soviet Ukaz. I'm not saying this is a fake paper, but it looks really strange. I've seen some fake research papers.
Gents,
Access to the Russian podvignaroda website now allows us to take a more detailed look at this subject. As noted on the reverse side of GA Bradley's award record card, there was no serial number listed - "nyet dannykh" - in the serial number column for the Order of Suvorov First Class. Whereas he was awarded an Order of Kutuzov First Class with serial number 166, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet did not confirm the Order of Suvorov First Class which Commander, 1st Ukrainian Front originally listed in order number 61 dated May 13, 1945. In the first attachment below, note that Bradley's name has been lined through directly below GEN Hodges' name. The Cyrillic letter K directly to its left could well be that of MSU Konev who struck GA Bradley's name from this particular order before it was dispatched to Moscow. When the confirming Presidium of the Supreme Soviet decree was issued (second attachment), only GEN Hodges' name was listed as having been awarded the Order of Suvorov First Class.
Bradley's award record card indicates his Order of Suvorov was authorized via a subsequent 1st Ukrainian Front order - order number 065/N dated May 17th, 1945. While the podvignaroda site has no record of this order nor of any subsequent PSS decree confirming it, there is photographic evidence indicating MSU Konev did award the Order of Suvorov First Class to GA Bradley on May 17th, 1945 (attachment three below). In the final attachment, it appears GA Bradley is wearing the service ribbons for the Orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov First Class to the very left on the third ribbon row from the bottom.
As noted above, I examined GA Bradley's Order of Kutuzov First Class at the location where it is exhibited. There was no Order of Suvorov First Class located with that exhibit.
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slava1stclass
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On 10/30/2014 at 21:20, slava1stclass said:
Gents,
Reenergizing this long-dormant thread.
I just happened upon this image (it dates to November 10th, 2004) of WW II veteran Walter R. Bieder who was then 83. He passed away in July, 2008 at age 87. He finished the war with the rank of Technical Sergeant. He was a platoon sergeant in E Company, 2nd Battalion, 16th Infantry Regiment, 1st Infantry Division - the Big Red One.
He was awarded two Silver Stars; two Bronze Stars with "V" device for valor; three Distinguished (later Presidential) Unit Citations; the Combat Infantryman's Badge; seven campaign credits (with credit for two assault landings - Sicily and Normandy); the French and Belgian fourragerres; and the Soviet Order of Glory Third Class - "a medal from the Russians apparently for not missing a day in combat from Sicily to the war's end."Here is TSgt Bieder's recollection of the circumstances surrounding his OGIII award: "When the fighting was over, I got decorated by the Russians. I didn’t even know it was coming. I didn’t know a thing about it. But one day I was told I was going to Pilsen (Czechoslovakia) to receive a decoration from the Russians. My Lt. heard that I was going to get a decoration and he couldn’t understand. He told the other sergeants, “What the hell did he do to deserve that? He don’t deserve it. I deserve it.” The guys told me all this when I come back from the decoration the next morning and at chowline for breakfast. He was standing up with the other officers and I had that medal on my shirt. I walked up to him and I took the medal, “I understand you deserve this medal more than me. Here, goddammit.” I stuck it on his shirt, and walked. Hutch was standing up there trying to keep from laughing. The Lt. took the medal and he was so mad he threw it on the ground. Him and I, we just didn’t get along. I wouldn’t have minded so much if the man knew what he was doing. I mean, you get some arrogant guys but they know what they’re doing. This guy didn’t know nothing."
A really great story.
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slava1stclass
Gents,
Here is an extract from the PSS decree that awarded TSgt Bieder his OGIII. He is entry number 2.
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
Using the search tools available on the Russian podvignaroda web site, I was able to confirm 200 Soviet orders and medals as being awarded to U.S. Army personnel in World War II. This list is by no means all inclusive. Fellow forum member NavyFCO has specialized in this subject and has written on this topic both within this forum as well in separate publications. The information provided below is offered to complement earlier efforts. Note, too, that not all of the orders and medals listed below were subsequently confirmed via Presidium of the USSR decrees. Some were awarded based solely on orders issued by field commands. The list is ordered by precedence from top to bottom:
ORB - 2
OSI - 1
OSII - 7
OSIII - 4
OKII - 7
OKIII - 1
OAN - 6
OPWI - 34
OPWII - 62
ORS - 24
OGIII - 16
BM - 15
CSM - 21
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slava1stclass
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On 4/22/2017 at 18:19, NavyFCO said:
That's the second Army Medal of Honor recipient I know of who received a Soviet order.
Gents,
Click on the words "Reply to Pattons Soviet Awards" below to be directed to information on the other MH recipient NavyFCO describes above.
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slava1stclass
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On 9/6/2012 at 13:06, slava1stclass said:
Gents,
While not a decoration per se, this is the first time I've ever encountered an immediate post-war image of a Red Army soldier wearing U.S. Army airborne wings.
We know U.S. Army personnel were awarded Red Army Guards badges at war's end. We now have evidence of a Red Army officer wearing U.S. Army jump wings.
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slava1stclass
On 10/2/2012 at 16:23, slava1stclass said:Gents,
A second image (albeit blurrier) of the same officer/jump wings (post # 117 above) from a different angle.
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slava1stclass
Gents,
This excellent photograph is currently available on the well-known auction site. It is the best resolution copy I've seen thus far. As a result, we now know our unidentified Soviet officer wearing U.S. Army jump wings (first mentioned above), was also awarded a United States Army Bronze Star Medal (the ribbon immediately above the jump wings).
The presentation ceremony occurred on May 12th, 1945, at the airport/airfield in Linz, Austria. Soldiers from the U.S. Army's 65th Infantry Division provided the honor guard. General Patton presented Lt Gen N. D. Zakhvatayev, Commander, 4th Guards Army, with the Legion of Merit (LM) in the degree of Commander. He also presented lower degree LMs to 12 other Red Army personnel. There is also a report Patton awarded some Bronze Star Medals to Red Army personnel that day. It is unclear whether the Soviet officer wearing the ribbon for the Bronze Star Medal above the U.S. Army jump wings was one of them.
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
Currently available in the former Soyuz. Initial asking price is $8,000.00. This OGI was awarded.
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
It does not get better than this. United States Army Medal of Honor recipient Technical Sergeant Max Thompson who was also awarded the Order of Glory Third Class. Read more about him here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Thompson_(Medal_of_Honor
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slava1stclass
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On 3/19/2017 at 11:07, Christian Zulus said:
Gentlemen,
What's the story behind the OGI s/n. 848?
Kind regards
Christian
Christian,
He was a corporal with duties as a forward observer/forward observer squad leader assigned to an artillery regiment in a rifle division subordinated to the 69th Army. His OGI was for action in mid-April 1945 (after the Oder River crossing) during offensive operations to the south of the Seelow Heights IVO of Lebus, Germany.
All told, he received seven decorations during the war; six orders - two OPWIIs, an ORS and three OGs and one medal - a CSM.
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slava1stclass
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3 minutes ago, nickstrenk said:
So the accurate word is фуфло,is not it?
nickstrenk,
Yes, the Russian word "фуфло" is an accurate description.
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slava1stclass
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1 minute ago, nickstrenk said:
Thanks,the answers similar yours, I have already had.I do not exactly undderstand-reproduction?Fake?Copy in correct metal?What to do with it?To sell as gold to a goldsmith?The Orders book is on Malikov Nikolaj Ivanovich.
nickstrenk,
The word reproduction as I've used it here means something meant to deceive - it is not an official mint-issued duplicate. To call it a fake is also accurate.
You would have to have a jeweler test the metal to confirm whether it is actually gold. It is then up to you to decide how you want to dispose of the OGI. Selling it for its pure gold content alone would be an option.
None of the three OG serial numbers listed in the OK match those awarded to Malikov, Nikolay Ivanovich.
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Mikuláš,
Unfortunately, the Order of Glory First Class is a reproduction and not an authentic piece. Additionally, there is no record of OGI serial number 2412 ever having been produced/awarded which makes the OGII, OGIII and Ordenskaya Knizhka in this "set" similarly bad.
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slava1stclass
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Gents,
Just listed on the well-known NYC-area dealer's site. Price: $11,500.00.
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On 9/23/2016 at 15:51, slava1stclass said:
Gents,
Currently available on the well-known auction site for a buy-it-now price of $3,500.00. The orders booklet and OGII only first surfaced at auction in Ukraine a couple of years back. Since then, the "OGIII" has now suddenly appeared. While I'm confident in the OGII's and orders booklet's authenticity, I can't say the same for the OGIII based on the images below. While the OGIII's "serial number" matches that awarded to the Full Cavalier in question, the likelihood of the original OGIII being found and then reunited with the OGII and orders booklet seems remote at best. The seller is in Latvia and has a solid eBay reputation.
In any event, this an interesting offering as the Full Cavalier in question initially served in an airborne unit and later transitioned to duties as an aerial gunner/radio operator in an IL-2 Shturmovik ground attack aircraft. His OGIII recommendation included credit for shooting down a German aircraft. His IL-2 pilot would go on to earn the HSU title.
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slava1stclass
Gents,
This group went unsold on the well-known auction site. Its last price was BIN for $1,599.00. The seller pulled the listing on February 22 indicating it was "no longer available."
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Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities
in Russia: Soviet Orders, Medals & Decorations
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Gents,
Adding a link to Egorka's separate post on an OGIII awarded to a Full Cavalier:
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slava1stclass