Doc Wilson

As they were mainly prewar things i assume your best bet is the battalion one. The regt was wartime.

Best

Chris

Chris the only thing I have found and I am contacting the source is this

I have become so smitten with this project that I have found a book which I am now looking for and I believe it should hold the answers I am looking for concerning the 10th Jaeger Battalion the Reserve Battalion and its experiences in the Alpenkorps. If I am able to get this I will gladly share what I glean with anyone else who will swear the US Marines are full of nonsesnse and sailor molesters. Intersting Gunderian was in the 10 Jagers for a while !!! trey interesting!

Airborne all the way !

Doc Wilson

- Bücher, GOSLARER JÄGER IM WELTKRIEG

Doc,

In effect there was no transition of the Hanoverian Army into the Prussian Army in the period immediately following the Austro-Prussian War of 1866. The new raft of regiments numbered 73 to 88 were mainly established from formed companies of existing Prussian Regiments with some men of the former states who were either re-engaged volunteers or had residual service to complete. The amalgamation of the traditions of the new Prussian Regiments, 73, 74, 77 & 79 with those of former Hannoverian Regiments did not occur until the A.K.O. of 24 January 1899: In the case of the former Leib-Regiment, this was henceforth to be considered one and the same with 3. Hannov. Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 79 with a new formation date of 3 January 1838.

Infantry Regiment Number 79 had been originally formed from companies from Infantry Regiments 26, 27, 66 and 67 plus recruits from the former Hannoverian Jäger Battalions 1 to 3.

Regards

Glenn

Well there you go then LOL

I think i am going to have to correct myself the Lieb Regiment may have gone to the Infantrie Regiment Nr. 74,77 or 79 I am still digging around

another link is http://www.necasperaterrent.de/

Post Script: where I am lost is the 1866-1870 transition of the Hanoverian Army into the Prussian Army .... I made the instant mistake of associating Leib with Garde... not smart on my part .

another link http://www.koenigreich-hannover.de/ukindex2.html

Hi Doc Wilson

Seems like we share some family background! My greatgreatgreatfather fled the german occupation in the late 1870's Although he did not see actuall action, a distant relative did. I found out recently that one time the noble Müldner von Mülnheim and my humble ancestors lived in the same house together! Do you happen to know which prussian regiment the 1. Infanterie-Regiment turned into (would it be as simple as the 1. hannoverian Regiment?)

Here is a badly spliced unit history diagram for the 73rd Fusiliers

Hi Doc Wilson

Seems like we share some family background! My greatgreatgreatfather fled the german occupation in the late 1870's Although he did not see actuall action, a distant relative did. I found out recently that one time the noble Müldner von Mülnheim and my humble ancestors lived in the same house together! Do you happen to know which prussian regiment the 1. Infanterie-Regiment turned into (would it be as simple as the 1. hannoverian Regiment?)

Fusilier Regiment Field Marshal Prince Albert of Prussia (Hanoverian) No.73 (which is known as Les Gibralters and a descendant of the KGL Battalions that fought at Waterloo & Peninsula)

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/gibraltar/ < there is a good online essay and photos... welcome to the admiration club!

Ernst Junger's Regiment in the Great War ("Storm of Steel" is written while he is in the 73rd Fusiliers).

Well it looks like everyone beat me to it.... on my mothers side my grandfather is the descendant of the Kurhessens and Hanoverians that left the Prussian occupation behind in the 1860's and 1870s. I am waiting to get back over there to find which cousins fought in the great war. Though my interests go back further than that ... just trying to keep it within the forum perimeters here.

I would like to mention there is a PDF online that talks about the history of the 73rd Fusiliers ( les Gibraltars that are descendant of the garde-regiment) it is found in the google library.

Well from my side of the street... the SVA is needed... especially in the Veterans community... to many posers out there.

I could tell stories of the Force Recon Ranger Scuba Sniper I pounded on while in Benning (never lie to another ranger - Robert Rogers even wrote that rule down) .... but that isn't the point. There are some things that are sacred ( at least to me there is). Sometimes a line does need to be drawn in the sand.

Under UV the entire olive backing lights up so clearly not wartime. Funny that the white stitching does not glow obviously.

Any comments>

That is a custom patch ... the tab and box are always separate.... Humm...it is vexing

I think it is 50s early 60s

I would like to add to my question does anyone know anything about the Mountain training they had ..

- How long was the course?

- Which units had mountain warfare training? I have seen conflicting accounts.

Hi,

here is a funny one.... he seems to have an officers Feldzeichen on the helmet.

It was on ebay as a bavarian Jäger, but from the collar badges I think not. Must be Schneeschu bstln?

That is a great photo

Doc - thanks for sharing. And welcome to the GMIC!

Thanks Gunner

Hello Bob:

these are not beret insignias but unit crests/insignias and as Kevin alluded to were/are worn on the right shirt/tunic pocket. During my time in service at the F.F.L.(1951 - 1957) leather fobs were quite the rage. Easy to attach and always centered.

As to the i.d.of the pictured items I cannot read them all. They are however of old vintage meaning some of the formations changed name or are no longer on the rolls ( such as the Legion airborne mortar company which was destroyed in Dien Bien Phu)

I still believe these insignias to be valuable and certainly interesting to see several of them which make some memories come to mind once again.

Bernhard H. Holst

Yeah the 1er CPMLE was Erwan Bergot's Company. There were I think 3 Legion Heavy Mortar companies at DBP

Doc,

I can offer some reference material for you. If you have not visited it, this wiki reference gives you an over view of the Alpen Korps. http://en.wikipedia...._(German_Empire)

2-For books - Brassey's History of Uniforms - World War One German Army ISBN 1 57488 278 3 has some interesting coverage on the uniforms of mountain and ski units that were used to form the Alpen Korps and the Korps itself.

Another, more general book, is the Osprey Men-AT-ARMS series "The German Army 1914-1918".

Brassey makes note of a special "pine green" basic uniforms for both ski and mountain troops consisting of a special tunic and trousers. The cap worn was the "skimutze" which was inspired by similar Austrian and Norwegian type hats. Green would appear to have been the arm of colour for the mountain infantry.

Regards,

Gordon

Thank you Gordon I have all of Nigel Thomas's Osprey works.... I am going to check out the Brassey's recommendation you have made.

Doc Wilson

We have hit the very subject that fascinates me the most .... What broke ...what played a part in the rise of such a group.

I have been reading many of the German authors of the period. Specifically those with front line experience. Thomas Nevin's Ernst Junger and Germany Descent into the Abyss 1914-1945... give a point of view that I am still trying synthesize.

My initial take -

The wounded french pride and treaty of Versailles , The League of Nations Plebiscites in Silesia, Prussia and else were... the French and Bolshevik confrontations in the Ruhr valley.

The germans wanted order/security, they wanted their national pride returned, also I think they were newborn babes when it came to really using the liberal democracy that we take for granted. The Reichswehr's political knavery.

By all accounts national socialism would have died in if its infancy if not for all these factors.

Italy-based soldier killed fighting Afghan insurgents

By Joseph Giordono, Stars and Stripes

Mideast edition, Wednesday, October 5, 2005

An Italy-based soldier assigned to the 1st Battalion, 508th Infantry Regiment was killed last week in Afghanistan, military officials confirmed Tuesday.

Staff Sgt. John G. Doles, 29, died in Shah Wali during a battle with insurgents using rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire on Sept. 30, officials said.

Doles, who leaves behind a wife and two small children, was a native of Claremore, Okla., according to the Pentagon. There was no information available Tuesday as to where or when a memorial service would be held at Vicenza’s Caserma Ederle, where the 508th is based. At least 13 soldiers from the Southern European Task Force (Airborne) have been killed in Afghanistan in the last 6½ months.

Doles’ father told a local Oklahoma television station that his son planned to join the Army Rangers when his tour in Afghanistan was over. John Doles was part of the 173rd Airborne’s combat drop into northern Iraq in March 2003, and was serving his first tour in Afghanistan.

“Everybody’s concentrating on Iraq, which is understandable. But we’re still tracking down al-Qaida and trying to find bin Laden,” Gene Doles told the station.

Doles’ grandmother, Mattieann Kay, was the matriarch of a family that included 26 grandchildren and 26 great-grandchildren. She remembered her grandson as a tough “all-American” kid.

“He wasn’t supposed to go yet — I was. He completed everything he ever started. Even fistfights,” she said, according to The Argus, a Bay Area paper in her California hometown of Fremont.

Doles was “able and fearless,” she recalled.

Family members told the paper a memorial service was planned for Oct. 11 in Chelsea, Okla.

On September 30, 2005 in a forgotten corner of what was then a forgotten war a very dear friend laid down his life. It was orginally a Silver Star recommendation ( infact it was listed in the stars and stripes Europe edition in 2006) but was lost and then later in the end downgraded because of the political flap around a lawful military order. His widow who for years didn't recieve John's last testament to valor contacted me in the early spring of 2010. I used what clout I had left and expended the last of my military capital to achieve this. I share this because for all the certificates that are out there remember the military machine doesn't always recognize or due justice to the men who are gone.

See the attached photo

It's about time!!!!!! Captain Albert

I know Sal and I am also a 173rd Airborne Brigade Veteran. While I am proud for him, my brigade and the Airborne Community... I also know that during that time many men lost there lives ( I mention specifically SSG Larry Rougle) ... and I am hoping that Sal is a precedent for more to come..

If you haven't seen the movie "Restrepo" take a look I was at the VIP Showing at Nat Geo ( 28 June 2010), met Sebastian Junger again I first met him in 2005. It is apolitical and I think if you want to see what it is like over there in RC East ( I have served in RC East and South)

Links:

http://restrepothemovie.com/

Chris I enjoyed your website: That is were I delightfully discovered much of the information that prompted my question here.

Doc Wilson

PS- Speaking of WWI / Imperial Era Beer steins is there one for the Jaeger Regiment Nr.2 or Jaeger Bataillon Nr.10? I do have a friend in Munich who is actively looking for me.

Hi Doc,

We love the Alpenkorps here!!!!!

Welcome.

I will dig for photos when I get back home, will be a few days.

I wish there WAS an Alpenkorps Beer Stein! You will have to go with a Regt one if you can find one.

Best

Chris

Greetings Gents,

I am partially Hanoverian and Hessian (Kurhessen) in descent and I am interested in researching the Jäger-Bataillon Nr. 10 (Hannoversches) especially during its service in the Alpenkorps 1915-1919.

Specifically curious about

1. Uniform changes? Were they still wearing the Gibralter cuffe title?, Did they adopt the Bergmutze? Did the have the green trim and shoulder strapes? etc... I hope you get the idea.

2. does anyone have any literary sources and or photos they would be willing to share digitally?

3. Was there ever an Alpenkorps Beer Stein?

Thanks for the attention

Doc Wilson

" The soldier knows little of philosophers but in him and in his deeds life expresses itself more profoundly than any book can" - Ernst Junger