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Detlev & Uwe

Thanks again for taking the time to respond and giving your thoughts and knowledge on this.

There is not a lot of information out there that I have found that shows the myriad of different boxes, cases, palms, or half a dozen other things. Sometimes the information can be unwanted, even painful, but it needs to be said in order to get the correct information out there for collectors. Thanks again for the help!

The seller is also learning Belgian awards and she was unaware of the discrepancy. As such, after coming to a mutually agreed upon remedy, I have kept the medal and got some money refunded! I also gave here some help in identifying a restrike on one of her Fire Cross, again thanks to the knowledge sharing here by yet another collector!

Tim

Dear Tim

for the boxes see also

http://users.telenet.be/deploige/OMD-DM/Francais/Albert/doos.html

Guy

Here is a raised bubble double Albert. The "A" sits on a raised dome. It is my favorite of the different samples in my collection.

Dear James

This model is a LII where the center of the back has been modified, see

http://users.telenet.be/deploige/OMD-DM/Francais/Albert/Hybride-2.html

Guy

Here's the boxes; the one on the right has diamond-shaped padding. The other one has two blind holes on the inside bottom, towards the center and a gold colored seal on the inside top:

the gold center is of FONSON

Guy

Dear Tim

the juwlers from the different crowns are for the :

A: Joseph Germain Dutalis, first maker of the order of Leopold (periode 1832 until circa 1846)

B: Josse Allard, 2nd maker of the order of Leopold (periode circa 1835 until circa 1850)

C: Charles Jacques Buls 3d maker of the order of leopold (circa 1840 until circa 1885 when is son stoped with the firm, he has been the Maire of Brussels) C: is the second type of crown of Buls

Guy :beer:

What about a guy that started out as an enlisted man, say he did 10 years service, then through one avenue or another was promoted into the officer ranks. From there, he did another 15 years service. I assume, at that point, he would be entitled to the 2nd Class award. If he remained in service, say another 10 years (35 years total military service and 25 years as an officer), would he then upgrade to the 1st class award. Can you actually do 35 years??

Tim

Dear Tim this is correct, a g?n?ral can end his service at the adge of 65

so he can do 45 years of service, I think this is the maximum

Guy

Dear Tim

A cadet at the Royal academie is only after 2 years second Luitenant, so he will first have the second class, than the 1st, he only will wear the 1st class when he will be prometed from the 2nd to the 1st class

Guy

Dear Tim

the 2nd Class is given to officers with 25 year of service

the 1st Class is given to officiers with 25 year of service as officier

Guy

Dear Frank

for more info see

http://users.telenet.be/deploige/OMD-DM/Fr...is/FrameDM.html

Guy :cheers:

20 to 25 Euro

At de Back 2L = Periode Leopold II

A = Periode Albert I

LIII = periode Leopold III (WW II)

Lion periode 1952 until now

the value depend of the monogram at the back

It is the military cross 2nd class (for officiers with 25 years of service)

This collar has to bee in the collections of the Belvue Museum in Brussels

http://www.belvue.be/home.php?la=en

some background information

Collier d'honneur de l'ordre de Skanderberg,

avec briliants et rubis (1925)

10 Dec 1929, remise au nom d'ahmed Zogou, roi d'Albanie sous le nom de Skanderberg III, par une mission sp?ciale dirig?e par le ministre du palais Ekram Bey Libohova

d'ahmed Zogou, roi d'Albanie sous le nom de Skanderberg III re?oit le 4/11/1929 le Grand Cordon de l'ordre de Leopold

le ministre du palais Ekram Bey Libohova re?oit le 4/9/1929 Grand Officier de l'Ordre de Leopold

Guy

Dear Ricky1972 and Hendrik

See here my medal

Guy

See

http://users.skynet.be/belgianordersandmed...ian%20Congo.htm

Medaille voor moederverdienste.

Medaille voor landbouw-en ambachtsverdienste

Guy

Hello,

see the next link

http://users.skynet.be/belgianordersandmed...OPOLD%20III.htm

Guy

On the next link of medalnet you can see a nice article

http://www.medalnet.net/brazil_rose.htm

There you can olse see a breaststrar with green in the crown, as mentioned before in this topic

Nice reading

Guy :cheers:

See olso the next auction in Italy

San Georgio

Guy

See also

http://users.pandora.be/deploige/OMD-DM/

Guy

Hello

Her you can see some copys of this medal and a good one

COPY

1)

2)

And here an ORIGINAL

look at the centers

Guy

Dear Garth

ont that french forum http://zitocland.forumpro.fr/index.forum is olso a little part in English.

Guy

H?llo

See here a beautiful picture of the M?daille coloniale

Any pointers as to the difference in original/restrike? The only difference I can see is the obvious patina/wear but this can always be "arranged"

Look at the d?tails on each medal and you will see the differences

Guy

Dear Friends

see here a good exempl

and a copy

importen to know is that only 58 persons got this medal

Nominations du 18 d?cembre 1895

1. Augustin G.

2. Cassart F.C.

3. Cerckel E.G.V.

4. Chaltin I.M.

5. Chargois.J.R.Ch.

6. Colignon C.H.

7. Collet G.P.

8. Debock A.J.

9. Decorte E.

10. Demol H.M.J.

11. Detiege M.E.J.E.

12. Deschamps G.R.A.

13. Dhanis Bon F.E.J.M.

14. Doormex A.J.O.

15. Docquier P.M.J.

16. Dupont H.J.

17. Fiv? G.G.E.

18. Franken E.H.

19. Frees A.

20. Gillain C.C.V. (plus tard G?n?ral)

21. Hambursin P.J.A.

22. Henry J.B.L.

23. Hinck E.F.L.

24. Hinde S.L.

25. Humba

26. Jacques J.M. (plus tard G?n?ral Jacques de Dixmude)

27. Joubert

28. Lallemand A.J.L.

29. Lamers M.F.

30. Lange A.L.

31. La Marinel P.A.

32. Lemery E.J.G.

33. Long A.

34. Lothaire H.J.

35. Mahan P.F.S.

36. Michaux O.I.J.

37. Midoagn P.B.

38. Miot F.

39. Moray F.J.R.

40. Moriam? J.M.

41. Pirotte A.P.L.

42. Renier G.F.J.

43. Rom A.T.L.

44. Rue V.J.B.

45. Sandrat V.C.J.

46. Sillye A.V.M.

47. Tobback M.I.

48. Van Lint J.M.O.

49. Van Riel J.A.

Nominations du 21 janvier 1896

50. Daenen A.

Nominations du 16 octobre 1896

51 .Berth?lins C.A.H

Nominations du 23 juin 1897

52. Scheerlinck J.

53. Verhellen N.

54. Fleury Th.

55. Mohun R.D.

Nominations du 16 julillet 1911

56. Biart D.

57. Delcommune A.

58. Diderick N.

Hello

this object has been treated on the forum FIM

http://zitocland.forumpro.fr/les-medailles...highlight=arabe

Guy

"German Atrocities: 1914- A History of Denial" by John Horne and Alan Kramer is worth reading.

By the way Simon Deploige is mentioned in that book on page 40, 274, 388 see also footnotes 145 page 40

Guy