Bubba_Z

And the last pic - catch.

Cheers,

Hubert

Hinge.

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Reverse.

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Reverse.

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Gents,

As it is extremely rare, I would like to show you my tombak unmarked u-boat badge attributed to Boerger & Co., Berlin - Beco.

It still has just incredible amount of gilding left compared to few other known examples.

Enjoy!

Kind regards,

Hubert

Obverse.

Cheers,

Hubert

Very nice minesweeper, especially the horizontal pin, is it tombak?

Yes, it is tombak variant but these horizontal pin Deumers exist also in zinc.

Here is my zincer for comparison.

Cheers,

Hubert

and the last pic - the http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2011/post-10680-0-56273600-1296325863.jpghinge.

Cheers,

Hubert

catch

reverse from an angle

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2011/post-10680-0-89844800-1296325414.jpgobverse from an angle

As requested.

Unfortunately, can't recall where I got it from...

More pics - second one.

In Mike's article on the Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen you see just we expect the statistics to suggest -- i.e. dome-head hinge pin associated with the round-bottomed "C", and flat or no-head hinge pins associated with the flat-bottomed "C".

There are probably a few flat-bottomed "C"s out there somewhere paired with leftover dome-headed hinge pins (and I think somewhere I may have seen a minesweeper like that), but I expect them to be the exception rather than the rule. You and I will just have to keep track of all the badges we see with attention to this detail!

Best regards,

---Norm

Hi Norm,

Agree, it is very resonable explanation

In my database I have two examples of minesweepers with flat-bottomed "C"s paired with dome-headed hinge pins.

I'll try to post the pics.

Cheers,

Hubert

Hi Hubert,

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the flat-bottomed "C" catches are more common than the round-bottomed "C" catches (quite the opposite since round "C"s predominate and therefore so do dome-head hinge pins); I was suggesting that within the sub-category of badges with flat-bottomed "C" catches, the dome-head hinge pins are less common than flat/waffle/beheaded collectively. But as you say, it's subjective without collecting a large series so I too could be wrong.

Regards,

---Norm

Hi Norm,

Sorry, I was not precise enough. In my previous post I was refering only to flat-bottomed "C" catches subcategory, and agree that in this case it's very hard to tell individualy without a risk of being wrong. Only a number of individual opinions may secure its correctness or long years in this hobby which I lack, unfortunately.

Here is another opinion from Mike's great article:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~datumgeo/Schwerin-Article-Sectioned/7HingePinCatch/Schwerin_HSF-HingePinCatch.htm

Cheers,

Hubert

Hi Hubert,

Sounds good. Is it not also fair to say that the flat-bottomed "C" catches are much less commonly paired with dome-head hinge pins than with flat-heads?

---Norm

Hi Norm,

I would tend to say the opposite - flat-headed hinge pin, with or without crosshatching, or simply 'beheaded' paired with flat-bottomed "C" catches are still less common. But this is mu subjective opinion, might be wrong.

Cheers,

Hubert

Thanks Gordon,

There are exceptions but my impression is that generally the dome-head pins correlate with the round-bottomed "C" catch (probably earlier) and the smooth flat-heads or waffle-heads (or no-heads) correlate with the flat-bottomed "C" catches. This seems to apply across the Schwerin badge lines. Has that been your observation as well?

Cheers.

---Norm

Hi Norm,

According to my observations I'd rather say that round-bottomed "C" catch is in fact correlated with dome-head hinge pins but later (zincer-like) flat-bottomed "C" catches could be met with all types of hinge pin heads and situated on both sides of the hinge. This is at least true in Schwerin's minesweeper line.

Cheers,

Hubert