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Some more pictures of the box & medal...
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Thanks Rick,
I got a translation of the Persian document. So here is the Persian -> Swedish -> English translation
"Ministry of the interior
According to order of the head of the Governmental Gendarmerie shall commander E.F. Thorell be promoted to major in the Governmental Gendarmerie. He shall have a salary according to contract.
16 hoot 1321"
I believe that the French document is a copy written by the commander of the Persian Gendarmerie - the Swedish officer Harald Hjalmarson.
From the little references I have at home regarding the Swedes in Persia: Thorell was hired in Persia from August 1912 and left 1st of June 1914. He was an instructor at the 5th regiment at Hamadan.
He got an archive of his own in the Swedish war archives that I have to have a look in.
Regards,
Stefan
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And then we have this - anyone!?
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bottom half...
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Top half...
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Then it is this paper written in French and signed by the commanding Swedish officer Hjalmarson. It's something about a medal suggestion - but what does it say exactly?
/Stefan
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Hello,
I also collect the very few items that I find regarding the Swedes that were in Persia in the 1910's.
Sweden was contacted by Persia to build up and train their gendarmerie and also police, so the roads would be safe again. With the Russians in the north and the British in the south this was not a easy task...but after reading a few books about it I would say that the result was good.
Last month I got this group regarding the Swedish officer Ernesto Thorell. It's rather late now so I will post the medal and some documents that I need help to translate...
First out is the Order of the lion and the sun, third class I believe.
Regards,
Stefan
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That's a nice one Bison!
So mine is extremely worn or is it a poor man's version?
Regards,
Stefan
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Thanks for your help
Regards,
Stefan
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Back
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Front
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Hello!
When I've looked around various sites I've noticed that this order is many different version.
Mine seems to be very plain...or is it just old and worn?
Regards,
Stefan
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Back...
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Close-up
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Hello!
My first Belgian medal
Could it be dated?
The lion seems to have been repaired, since it's a bit uncentered.
Regards,
Stefan
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Hi Stefan;
That is a very nice EK!
Dienegott's last name should be the same as Friedrich's. Landwirt must be his occupation (farmer)
Regards, Hardy
Thanks Hardy, that must be the correct way to see it.
And yes, the EK is very nice. I must try to trade it for something
Regards,
Stefan
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Thanks shooting range officer
The "EB" is just a guess from my side...that would fit the "Eisengiesserei Berlin". They can also be parts of full stamps, since it's hard to get good stamps on a bend surface.
Now to the story behind it:
A woman sold the EK to my friend. It had been in the family and she got it from her uncle that also served in WW1 and WW2.
The name of the uncle was Friedrich Vilk Lieder and from Witomisch, Posen (according to the WW2 Soldbuch). He was born april 29th 1884. His father's name was Dienegott Landwirt and the mother's Mathilde Weber.
It feels like it was Dienegott's grandfather that received the EK...or grand grandfather.
Would it be possible to back track to the EK owner? Probably not. But perhaps there is a tiny chance if it was a family with officers in it.
Anyone got the books for this research?
Regards,
Stefan
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Stefan,
If by old you mean orignal issue then I am 99.9% certain that it is an original piece.
Regards,
Ian
Oh, thanks Ian. Yes, perhaps they are not that much faked. It's just so shiny that it made me wonder.
It was in an unsold lot at a coin auction. I bought it since it had some Swedish uniform parts in it too - so this was a bonus
Regards,
Stefan
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Stefan,
It is an Austro-Hungarian double headed eagle and I think it is for a Infantry Shako (cap).
Regards,
Ian
Thanks Ian,
then I have something to search after.
Now I need to figure out if it's new or old
Regards,
Stefan
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Back and eylet
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Hello!
This is unfortunately not mine EK, but I know the owner and I was allowed to show some pictures of it.
The owner got this from the family and I believe it is ok. Anyone got a list regarding the 1813 EK recipients?
The most interesting part of this EK is the stamp in the small eylet. I believe it could be "EB" and might stand for ?Kgl. Preuss. Eisengiesserei Berlin??
Regards,
Stefan
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Hello!
I guess this is an Austrian double eagle?
Is this for some cap or hat?
Height: 9,5 cm
Width: 7,5 cm
Regards,
Stefan
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Another angle
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Swedes in Persia
in Middle East & Arab States
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