Brian R

9 minutes ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Hi,

there seems to have been a decree in about 1916 that guys wounded enough to have been invalided out of the service recieved an EK2, I have seen this in quite a few groups, even guys wounded in August 1914 badly enough to be invalided out.

I do not see a trend to award the EK as an ersatz for a wound badge for regular wounds.

POWs accounted for a good number of awards,

For the "catch up" awards, applicants had to provide some proof that they deserved it, witnessed by officers of their unit.

Best

Chris

Yup. I'm saying (or thinking) that there must have been a number of guys wounded in the fighting of 1918 that were decorated with the EK2 after the war as a result (without any official policy stating they should).

Great information, Dave. I would also think a number of the post war EK2s were related to the wounded, in addition to POWs and internees. I'm sure it wasn't official policy, but I'm of the opinion that a significant amount (if not close to half in WWII) of EKs were awarded in relation to wounds, both "Black" type as well as the "heavy" wounds (that became official policy in WWII), in both world wars. So, just my general belief in the close connection between being wounded and being decorated with an EK2, would have me think that these post war EKs would show similar trends.

GreyC - Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry but I should have mentioned that I am also aware of his unit (or the unit he was in) when he was named in the EB. My goal here was to see if there is any chance he was named in any publication before the war - perhaps he served before WWII but, of course, could have been a civilian called up for war service.

I'm also aware of the KTB information. The roll is also available via NARA  but it is cost prohibitive to buy the whole thing. I could pay a researcher to comb through, but I am hoping to avoid that if possible (at this time). So, I'm still at the same point as before - I know his rank, unit, award dated (and date of his actions and location) but have nothing more. Once again, I appreciate your reply.

Best,

Brian

Hi Guys - This is a long shot but I'll give it a go. I'm looking for any information on a Doctor named Horst Wieckert. He was a Regimentsarzt during WWII but I'm guessing he was older than your typical landser and was around in WWI or maybe even just listed in a 1920s or 30s era Rank List. I know nothing of him except that he was married to a woman by the name of Else with a Birkenwerder-Berlin address. He was named in the EB in January 1944. Any chance someone knows of him? Anything?

Thank you, sir! Can you tell me what  I. E.S.B. is ?

Very helpful. Thank you. I would guess that Kiel is a reference to where he received the EK, probably after the war. 

Thank you, Andreas. This is very helpful. I don't know much about Imperial Marine Infantry units... any idea where 2. Marine-Infanterie-Regiment would have been based out of or who they would have been subordinate to?

Hi Guys - Is there any chance more information can be found about this officer? Someone posted a query on him on the WAF a while back and guys like Paul C were able to confirm that he was a POW in England after the war and that he, at one point, was with 2. Marine-Infanterie-Regiment. His private purchase EK1 is engraved and includes Kiel below his name. The fact that Kiel is included makes me wonder if he was actually on a ship when he earned his EK1 before he was transported to the infantry. Any info or any thoughts?

Thanks,

B

Excellent set!

On October 9, 2016 at 13:23, ccj said:

Nice... how do you find such nice ID'd items/groups?

 I'd love to have such a grouping

Yes, how?!?!?!

Definitely a fascinating award document and it's always amazing to see the way you guys can dissect and interpret such pieces when the details are so overlapping. 

Looks good to me. 

A Godet and a Wagner & Son - if you are only going to have two these are the right choice!

I'd guess a duplicate or replacement, especially due to the mounting. It really is a great one, especially that it is attributed to family.

And, if it was 3rd of January 1939, it surely would be the rarest!

Love these types of pictures. Great stuff!

A fake, but I don't think an EK2 has ever been so comfortable. It's like a cushy bed!

The EK2 ribbon is fake and it appears, at one time, the SS collar tabs were artificially added to that image.

yeah, it looks like he got them and slipped them into a drawer. It's like an unopened time capsule. Very nice.

Sweet set, Chris. The medals were wrapped up in the same blue tissue?

Finally, I have posted some more stories. I show Luftwaffe men who were engaged in defending the Reich from the Allied Bomber Offensive as well as two men who distinguished themselves during the first months of Barbarossa. There are more stories on the way...

http://kleinekillpress.com/iron-cross-winners---battlecampaign.html

No, the 1914-1916 dates speak to the initial period of production, when awards were produced by a selected group and done with high levels of silver. The list of makers expanded after 1916 as the war called for far more EK awards than what was initially expected.

I like the Berlin flea market anecdote. It's nice to have a story with our crosses, even if they are our own rather than that of the original recipients.

Chris - I agree that the pinbacks are nicer as well. As much as the screwbacks are cool, it's the standard pinbacks that were typically awarded (as opposed to private purchased). The original five were...

Sy & Wagner

Gebrüder Friedländer

Godet & Söhne

Johann Wagner & Söhne

J. H. Werner

All five makers were situated in Berlin.

Quite an interesting set, Kevin. It is interesting to see that the screwback is de-Nazified but still clearly shows the outline of the swastika.