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Secondly: Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse ohne Schwertern
I see a zink piece with an amount of bronze wash left. No maker mark on the split ring. The ring is integral to the cross. So all pointing to a late war piece.
There's a little dirt at the front on the right cross arm with should clean of with some water
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Well, I've finally gone and done it: expanded my collection from pre-1930 to include TR. Blame it on this forum and all of you gentlemen...
so here are some newbee observations on my first pieces:
Firstly the simple plain Kriegstverdienstmedaille
When I started examining it it turned out to be the variant as pictured in Gordon's new book on the War Merit Cross on pg 40, with the binding rings of the central wreath appearing on the left and right instead of on the top and bottom side.
The transverse loop also is off-centre (better visible at the picture off the reverse) which is also very clear on the picture in the book.
The loop itself however seems rather thin to me, I had expected a thicker ring. It's soldered, but it doesn't give the impression of a replacement though.
No maker mark as common, and a not-soldered/split ring
There seems to be some "rust" shaping on the two o?clock position of the disk.
Question: am I right if I say this is an early tombak piece?
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Hi... based on absolutely no knowledge on KVK's outside of reading Gordon's book I would say it looks fine to me...
I recognise the swollen middle portion of the pin as typical for Deschler.
I see a separately soldered hinge block and retaining hook as for an earlier piece. Can't really tell if it's in a recess.
There's an example of a Deschler KVK1 on pg 123 of Gordon's new book. The only thing I must say is that the mm seems smaller here then it does in the picture in the book.
Please don't take this as any authentication, as said I don't know **** about KVK. So let's wait and see what the real experts have to add.
cheers
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Very nice presentation!
I'm wondering though? a: don't the medals damage the paperwork which is on the opposite page? b) doesn't the book get to heavy/thick to handle? c) don't the medals get damaged by the splitpin pushing at the back of them cause of the weight of the whole book?
cheers!
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Thanks for correcting there Hendrik. Always thought the tower had to do with the engineer corps...
:cheers:
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Without having the real answer I can add some pieces to the puzzle..
First bar: both the military division of the Officer in the Order of Leopold I and the Military Cross indicate a career officer.
Second bar: the tower on the War Cross indicates someone with the corps of engineers ("genie") and the 3 bars (at least I think there are three bronze bars?) on the POW might indicate a French-speaking recipient. (Although it's not an ironclad proof, but most Flemish recipients were sent home after 6 months to a year. The French speaking POW's spent longer)
I let the experts contradict me when I'm wrong....
cheers
L4h
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Thanks for the reply Jan
Had no idea that these things went so high!
Thought 60 ? would have done the trick....
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Hello chaps
Just a general (albeit rather specific) question. Could anyone give me an idea of what a single BWM to a Belgian agent goes for these days? Being offered one but have to settle on the price
Thanks
cheers from Flanders
L4h
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Question: are the simple plain KvM usually maker marked? I always they were usually unmarked? (as the Westwall is...)
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Hello gents,
Planning to buy "the call of duty" by Strandberg/Bender. Before I part with my ? however, would anyone be willing to post some sample pics here on the forum so I can see what I'd get? I'm looking for a guide that helps me to identify not only the medals themselves but especially the manufacturers/time period so I can date the pieces. Will this book do the trick?
Thanks for your help!
cheers from Belgium
l4h
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thanks gents! when you point it out it does become more visible indeed: pitting for cast pieces and numbering style... can't see the difference in the loop though....
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And here I am... pondering over the fact if the 80 ? IAB I want to buy is genuine or not.... why bother eh? :D
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AH... I see...
enlighten me here... what gives them away?
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Let me venture a guess, sorry no pics... correct me if I'm wrong
Kriegsverdienstkreuz, Kreuz f?r freiwillige Kriegshilfe, Verdienstmedaille, Ehrekreuz f?r Kriegsteilnehmer, Dienstauszeichnung
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Thank you both very much for your opinion. I let it pass as I wasn't entirely sure of it being genuine or not... went out of my budget anyway (sold yesterday for 335 ? on ebay.it)
cheers
L4H
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Thanks you Paul
Anyone else?
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Hi Jason
Non-official for sure, that's about as far as I get.
cheers
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Seen from here it looks fine to me, I must say.
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These look a lot like the ribbon bars of a WWI commemorative medal if you ask me. Usually one sees this POW medal with the short braided bars on it (the ones that probably were intended to go on a ribbon bar) But I'd like a more expert opinion then mine to back this up...
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Baby steps
in Germany: Third Reich: State, Civil, NSDAP Awards & Decorations
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All of this newfound wisdom obviously not of my own invention but of my other new addition (thank you Gordon, you can see it's put to good use eh?