Erik Krogh

While neither of my badges can approach the condition of the one shown by Gordon, it is interesting to compare the two styles. The badge with the cut-out swaz has the round wire catch and is considerably thicker and heavier than the non-cut-out example (with the flat wire catch). Please look at the top-down view below.

Always liked the badge, just that pit on the reverse held me up from buying it originally. Oh well...

Tim

Tim,

It actually wasn't purchased at a show - just an internet order

Gordon - thanks for showing that stellar badge!

Best,

Erik

Beautiful, Gordon! Congrats!!

Erik

Paul,

Terrific grouping! Great to have all of the badges and insignia in addition to the Fuhrungsbuch. Congratulations!!

Could we see a closeup of the tradition stickpin? Is this postwar?

Best Regards,

Erik

Hi,

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Erik: "They are 57 versions"

Erik: "57er badges"

57er badges from WWI decorations?

Rick: "reprinted 40 years ago"

Don: "the closest I came was the catch on a 57er EK1"

Erik:

"57 awards"

These decorations (57 versions) were not awarded, not issued, not re-issued.

There was only the allowance to produce, to sell, to buy and to wear these decorations:

http://www.ordensmuseum.de/Ordensjournal/O...16Jan0857er.pdf

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Uwe

Thank you. Uwe.

I didn't mean to get "off topic" - I originally wanted to understand whether the WWI Gold Wound Badge I had bought was authentic.

Sooooo... Rick seems to think that these are genuine period, Uwe has pointed out that they were not reissued in 57.... What is the consensus on these three badges which all have the same reverse hardware?

Best Regards,

Erik

Reverse of 57er badges

Don,

I think that you're right. It appears that the 57er awards used the same obverse design as shown in the Assman catalog, but the reverse setup is consistent with other 57 awards (wide pin, wide flat hook).

I have found several naval wound badges online with the same obverse design but a more-expected thin needle and hook reverse, which appear to be 1930s period. Also the background on these badges is "roughened rather than pebbled" as Beau noted.

Thanks to everyone for their comments.

Best Regards,

Erik

Here's an update: I purchased all three Naval Wound badges sold as 57er's on eBay.de. Here they are

As a general rule, its basically true. However there were occasions after the outbreak of war when cap ribbons were worn. For instance, when Prien's crew were invited to Berlin to celebrate the sinking of Royal Oak, they wore their flotilla ribbons, but on all the press photos the censor obliterated the name.

After the outbreak of war, it would be rare to see a sailor on duty wearing a named ribbon BUT I have no doubt that sailors would retain at least one named ribbon for sentimental reasons (even though they were suposed to be handed in after the outbreak of war). Remember that these ribbons were not exactly hard to obtain before the war and were often even given away to visitors to the ships during "open days " etc plus ribbons could be purchased by the sailor and as his personal property wouldn't be handed in when the general exchange of named ribbons for "Kriegsmarine" ribbons occured.

These ribbons could then be worn briefly, to have a portrait photo taken for the family album even after their wear was prohibited. The wearing of items or insignia which were not exactly "permitted by regulations" was quite common when posing for private rather than official photos.

So its quite possible that a photo might turn up of a sailor wearing a warbadge and the appropriate cap ribbon.

Thanks for once again imparting your deep knowledge, Gordon! Now the hunt is on to find a photo with a warbadge in wear with a flotilla ribbon.

Best Regards,

Erik

Emmermann signature on reverse of card.

Korvettenkapit?n Carl Emmermann U-172 signed visitation card (signed on reverse).

Korvettenkapit?n Otto Von B?low U-404 wartime signed card.

Here is a shot of a group of S-Boaters wearing the Spades as a tradition badge on their board caps.

Very nice item, Erik. And I assume some of the cards also resemble the flotille insignia?

Laurens

Nesredep and Richard - thanks!

Laurens,

Here is a scanned page (140) from the book "S-Boote, German E-Boats in Action 1939-1945" by Jean-Philippe Dallies-Labourdette. It shows the various card suits were used as logos by the 2 Schnellbootsflottille.

Best Regards,

Erik

Thanks for the posts, Gentlemen!

Martin - John Robinson informed me that the KM stopped wearing ship/flotilla-specific tallies shortly after the war started in 1939 for security purposes. For that reason, I wouldn't think that you would see a war badge and a ship/flotilla-specific tally in wear together. However, I could be wrong about this (wouldn't be the first time).

Best Regards,

Erik

Here's an interesting card signed by the commander of the 2 Schnellbootsflottille Korvettenkapit?nKlaus Feldt celebrating the 5 Kriegsweihnacht (1943).

The photo that came with the tally

Another shot on the scanner, showing a little more detail

Here's a 1. SchnellbootsFlottille 1. tally. It came with the following photo (original owner?) and some other Schnellboot paper.

Nice badge, Martin! Love those F&B pins...

Best,

Erik

Greatcoat attributed to Lassen with Korvettenkapit?n shoulder boards. The size on the greatcoat corresponds to the tunic size, i.e. only a slender man could wear this greatcoat. It won't fit on one of my two mannequins and is too long for the mannequin with the Lassen tunic.

Lassen nametag in trousers

Lassen Trousers

Nametag in tunic

EKI attributed to Lassen

Detail of shoulderboard