Bilco

Hi Gents,

I found this slightly odd Cuban vic on eBay - item no 300781967004.

I see the description calls it a copy and genuine, with gilding. A Cuban-made copy apparently, with background detail on the obverse I hadn't noticed before - is it banners?

Bill

Hi Rob, Jim - many thanks for your comments. It's amazing what's around on the web these days!

Bill

Hi Gents,

I've come across a couple of guides to US Army and Navy clasps for the WW1 vic on eBay, and wondered how accurate they are - maybe a member of GMIC wrote them?

http://reviews.ebay.com/Army-WWI-Victory-Medal-Clasps?ugid=10000000005867427

http://reviews.ebay.com/Navy-Marine-Corps-WWI-Victory-Medal-Clasps?ugid=10000000005819214

Bill

Hi Gents,

The photos in my last 3 posts have been upgraded.

Bill

The rest

Bill

Next tranche

Bill

Hi Gents,

Here come the close-ups. The thin chain links seem to be thinner on the narrow cylinder variant - or am I seeing things?

Bill

Hi Gents,

My latest acquisition - inspired by the recent postings on this thread! Delivered from Bucharest at midday, the Unofficial Type 3 .

Obverse

Reverse

The three countries with C instead of G, and thin links to the chain. Narrow cylinder suspension, planchet diameter 36mm, thickness 3mm. The ribbon is in very poor shape, but I have a piece of French ribbon that I can substitute for it.

I'll post close-ups of the countries' names as Kevin has done in due course.

Any comments welcome,

Bill

http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/graphicnovel/rogersabin.htm

Some background on Ally Sloper.

Bill

Hi Gents,

Another oddity, trawled up from the Internet. I thought my eyes were going funny at first -

- but it looks like the names of the countries have been double-struck, with a little movement between strikes. The movement is worse at the upper part of the reverse. The underlying design is crisp and clear - were the names normally struck after the rest of the design?

Bill

Hi Gents,

I've found a couple of interesting threads on a forum about Romanian awards - I see you post to this site as New Connaught Ranger, Kevin.

First thread is about fake Romanian medals:

http://www.worldwar2...?showtopic=2250

And the second shows a 14 medal bar with what I think is an unofficial Victory medal (Type 3?):

http://www.worldwar2...?showtopic=1130

Bill

Hi Gents - my latest acquisition - the Belgian Unofficial Type 2:

Obverse

Reverse

The all-important R on the reverse.

The planchet diameter is 37.2mm and thickness 2mm. The colour is bright brassy, and the strike is very shallow, with some of the lettering on the reverse almost vanished:

The planchet is slightly 'squeezed' at around the 3 and 9 o'clock, and there are small triangular marks in these positions - the teeth of a gripper of some kind?

The ribbon looks like a Czech make, and there is a hole on the obverse side with a faint mark around it that looks like there has been a linden leaf there at some time.

Any comments welcome.

Bill

Hi Kevin,

Many thanks for your input on this piece. It's plain that Romania has produced a lot of variants for their Victory medal, with differences in the details of the design and suspension. I've seen your postings on some of the variants - thank you for shedding some light on these medals. It's a fruitful area of collecting, although I'd cough a bit at paying $499! It depends how desperate you are for something potentially rare.

Bill

Hi Gents,

I have the odd doubt about this item on eBay - item no 221099863404

The photo appears to be in colour - there are bits of discolouration.

Bill

Hi Gents - my latest acquisition. It appears to be the Morlon Re-issue in shiny finish that Rob mentiones in post #49.

The photos:

Obverse ...

... and reverse.

The colour is very light brass/gold, it's very sharply struck, with the Paris Mint cornucopia and BR.

Any comments welcome.

Bill

Sheesh - I hate tests!

Well Jim, although the photograph shows details on both my clasps aren't as sharp as your True King example, they are much better 'in the hand'. The Meuse-Argonne I would say is perfectly OK. The Defensive Sector clasp has less clearly-defined moons, the left-hand star is 'flat' where the others have a point in the centre, and the lettering is less sharp in some spots - the E at the end of Defensive is much less well defined than the rest. However, the font looks right, and the size of the stars (back to my original query) matches your exemplar. Maybe it came from a worn die, but I think it's a good'n.

How did I do?

Bill

Hi Oliver,

On my examples the "G.Villa" appears on the Official Type 1 and 2 but not the Type 3 or 4.

Bill

Hi Jim,

Many thanks for the picture and tutorial. Another one for the reference file.

How do these two clasps on my US vic check out - particularly the Defensive Sector?

Bill

Rob, Jim, many thanks for covering the detail background to these clasps. With all the combinations of official clasps as well as all the fantasy items it's a field of collecting in its own right.

I'm intrigued by the variations in the size of stars on this collection - from the top (ignoring the top clasp) they are small, medium and large with a point at the 12 o'clock, and two medium with a point at the 6 o'clock. To what extent can the size and orientation of the stars be used to identify the manufacturer?

Bill

I guess the Army of Preoccupation are the guys who go in ahead of the Army of Occupation?

Bill

Hi Rob,

Both medal and certificate look to be in excellent condition. A great win!

Bill

Hi Peron,

Many thanks for the link - it serves well to put the medals in our collections into context.

Bill

Hi Gents,

I found this on the web site of a dealer in Europe, described as "ITALY Kingdom INTERALLIED WW1 VICTORY MEDAL RARE NO MAKER type"

The picture of the obverse ....

...looks on the face of it like an Official Type 5, with no designer or maker's names in the exergue.

However, the picture of the reverse ...

... has the left-hand date as MCMXIV. As I understand from Laslo page 53, the Type 5 should have the date MCMXV.

Under magnification I can convince myself that there are some faint letters discernable in the exergue on the obverse.

I'll pass on this one.

Bill

Hi Peron,

Nice photos of your medal. I think it's an Unofficial Type 1, with an unusual narrow cylinder suspension, made by the Portuguese firm Casa Buttuller.

It's got a buckle with a large Combatant star, but I haven't seen a ribbon like that before.

Bill

Hi Gents,

My latest acquisition is the Czech-made Italian vic Unofficial type 1:

Obverse

Reverse.

It seems to be relatively crudely made, with the staffa a little off-set from the central position - particularly noticable in the reverse view. Diameter 34mm, and what looks like a Czech-style ribbon.

Any comments welcome.

Bill