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Congrats!!

Sorry but this looks like one of the typical fakes which would make the Red Baron sigh with envy. The pin and the backing are certainly not original, and the first medal isn't either (don't know about the rest, but suspect some of the aren't as well).

Matthew

Agree, and the Coburg one with the half green/white ribbon is the worst.

Hmmm.... forgot about the AEZ. Although if one looks closely more of the ribbon rings of the BMVK3mX and the AEZ show than the others, suggesting they were replaced, and not the LD1. Can our resident Godet expert tell us if it looks good as per construction?

Found a picture of this bar whilst surfing the internet today and to the best of my knowledge it is not for sale. It is quite interesting, the LD1 and MVK3X combo being as far as I know impossible, yet all other aspects look legit. Perhaps a replaced MVO4X? The other interesting thing is obviously at the end!

Regards,

Matthew

PS: I know the pictures aren't the best, but I could only find those.

How does a such a junior officer get such a variety of awards?

Being a staff officer or aviator would often do the trick

If I may add a few points to the very good ones above:

1.) Know what you are buying. Meaning if you buy either a bar or a single medal, know what it is. This may sound basic but there are people who buy things just because they 'look good'. For example, some research would show that the first medal on the bar in post 156 has extremely low issue numbers, and is heavily faked.

2.) In my opinion, bars are easier because of combination. If a bar's combination does not make sense, that is already a clue to keep on looking. Once again, lets take the bar above as an example:

a.) The first medal was given to NCO's and enlisted, whilst the fourth medal is a 24 year long service award to officers.

b.) In 1905 Bavaria gave out a jubilee medal, it also did this in 1911 to those who did not get that of 1905 (therefore you will never see them on a bar together). Therefore, it is impossible for a Bavarian bar to have a 24 year service medal and not have one of these medals.

c.) The first award is a peacetime one, which would never be mounted in front of the wartime iron cross.

3.) When in doubt, ask!

Regards,

Matthew

I always like seeing the BAPAUME bar. A very nice medal bar to a veteran of 1870 and some type of court functionary later.

Congrats!

Ribbon is wrong for a Charlottenkreuz, so probably a Wilhemskreuz. I would venture to say one with swords, but i'm not 100% sure.

Yes it was

The last might be a freikorps award. Does anyone know of a connection between Bavaria and the Hanseatic cities? Groups with them, especially Hamburg, seem to crop up more often than their positions in Germany would suggest.

Yes Matthew, it's really a very nice medal, rarely seen on medal bars, especially of military personnel... It would be nice to know how many they were awarded, maybe just a couple of thousands.

Here's another huge bar sold by HH last year for Eur 5'000.- + commission

66. Auktion (18.-19.10.2012)

Los Nr. 3188 Ordensschnalle des fürstlichen Kammerdieners August Fleischer

20-teilige Ordensschnalle mit Preußen:

1. Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1914,
2. Deutsches Reich: Ehrenkreuz für Kriegsteilnehmer ohne Schwerter,
3. Reuß: Goldene Verdienstmedaille des Ehrenkreuzes mit Krone und Schwertern,
4. Reuß jüngere Linie: Erinnerungszeichen zum Silbernen Ehejubiläum 1909,
5. Reuß: Goldene Verdienstmedaille des Ehrenkreuzes,
6. Reuß jüngere Linie: Silberne Verdienstmedaille "Für treue Dienste" mit der Krone ab 1909,
7. Reuß-Lobenstein-Ebersdorf: Bronzene (stark vergoldet!) Verdienstmedaille,
8. Braunschweig: Verdienstkreuz 1. Klasse in silbervergoldeter Ausführung der Firma Siebrecht mit Sternchen, "S" und "900"-Punze,
9. Sachsen: Albrechtskreuz mit separat geprägtem Kopf des Stifters im Medaillon,
10. Preußen: Verdienstkreuz in Silber (am falschen Band),
11. Sächsische Herzogtümer: Verdienstkreuz des Ernestinischen Hausordens mit separat geprägtem Kopf,
12. Preußen: Kreuz des Allgemeinen Ehrenzeichens,
13. Sachsen: Ehrenkreuz,
14. Bulgarien: Verdienstkreuz (6. Klasse) des Zivilverdienstordens,
15. Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Silbernes Verdienstkreuz des Ordens der Wendischen Krone,
16. Meckelnburg-Schwerin: Silberne Verdienstmedaille ab 1872 mit Stempelschneider "W. KULLRICH F." im Medaillenrand,
17. Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha: Verdienstmedaille in Gold des Sachsen-Ernestinischen Hausordens mit Bildnis Herzog Alfreds und Stempelschneider "LAUER",
18. Schaumburg-Lippe: Goldene Verdienstmedaille ab 1893 mit der lippeschen Rose im Wappenschild,
19. Mecklenburg-Schwerin: Silberne Medaille Friedrich Franz III. mit Zieröse für Zivilpersonen,
20. Sachsen: Silberne Friedrich August-Medaille am Friedensband.

Außergewöhnliche Ordensschnalle mit 20(!) Ehrenzeichen von 34,5 cm Länge. Besonders die Goldene Verdienstmedaille mit Krone und Schwertern (Position 3) des gemeinschaftlich verliehenen reußer Hausordens von großer Seltenheit. Bei der Lobenstein-Ebersdorfer Medaille (Position 7) handelt es sich vermutlich um eine von der jüngeren Linie Reuß übernommenen (fehlende "LXXII" unter der Namenschiffre) Auszeichnung für 25 Dienstjahre Hofbediensteter, wie sie bisher von der Literatur nicht gewürdigt wurde. Die nachfolgenden drei Lose aus gleichem Besitz.

I think the wearer is the guy who came up with the theme song 'I Want It All'. And not of officer status to boot!

Good luck finding more info about Meissenburg

Really nice bar. The jubilee medal is beautifully designed!

Matthew

Nice one!

Hi Pete,

Thanks for your opinions! I don't think it can be the officer long service combo, as he would have had the 1902 jubilee medal. The 9-12 year service medals are more likely, so when I have it properly in hand I will check.

Regards,

Matthew

I don't think its possible to find the name, as the wearer was not an officer... Still a very nice bar though.

Matthew

Hello gents,

I had the good fortune to win the items below on ebay, the top one has hooks on the back. What do you think would be the most likely medals to go with it? I remember reading somewhere that pre-war the trapezoidal style was favoured by enlisted, is this true?

The possibilities I've got until now are (for the first ribbon (the light blue) and in decreasing order of plausibility) - Kronenordenmedaille, Medal of the Friedrich Order, Mecklenburg Civil Merit Medal.

The second ribbon (the red one with yellow stripes as the bar is upside down) is a bit more difficult. At first I thought a Baden long service medal, but the examples I've seen vary a lot in the width of the stripes, most having wider ones. It could potentially be an Order/medal of St. Henry the Lion or the 1906 wedding medal (but both have the same stripe width problem). Finally, could it be a medal to the Russian Order of St. Anna?

Btw, the hook for the second ribbon is a couple of millimetres lower than the other, in case that helps!

As you can see I have found some possibilities but I need some help to see which are the most likely and plausible.

Thanks a lot!

Matthew

PS: It could also be a Lippe-Detmold Lifesaving Medal and a 20 year service award from the same state, but considering their rarity I highly doubt it!!!!!!

Ok thanks. I returned it and received a refund, so all is well.

And the back and side:

Hello all,

I picked up this badge recently from someone near me and I would like opinions to its originality (or lack of it).

Thanks

Matthew

What is the Lippe medal with the red enameled rose?

The House Order of Lippe Detmold 4th Class

Matthew

Whilst 'normal' long service awards were awarded after the war, landwehr ones are all pre-war awards.

Matthew

Perhaps he was a front line medic?

Matthew

Great bar and photos!

Thanks for your comments! The Saxon bar has arrived and I'm starting to restore it. There are several possbilities that could go on the last ribbon, but I'm thinking that the Bulgaria Bravery Cross is the most likely as the merit medal seemed to have been awarded to rear area types? The medals seem not even to have bee sewn in, but rather the ribbon ring placed through the narrow opening at the bottom of the trifold and, being larger, preventing the medals from falling out.

Matthew