W.Unland

Hello,

I have posted a few educational threads regarding police insignia, particularly sleeve eagles, in the past.

In this thread I would like to share my collection as displayed just for the fun of it. I am not into the hoarding aspect of collecting, I like any viewer of my relics to understand exactly what each item is and how it was used. I recently threw these riker frames together to house representative pieces from those that I have collected.

Most of the photos used have been taken from sale ads and other forum threads and are reproduced for my own use in low resolution, so if you are the owner of a photo that you bought on e-bay and see it here relax, I am only using them in my home display and am not reproducing nor publishing them.

Thanks for looking,

William Unland

Bill, would he have been in a position to have been awarded the clasp to his EK2 as a member of the LSP?

Probably not. I think he was awarded it as a member of the military or police, probably police, but was sent over to supervise the old guys in the LSP when he got too old or disabled. Regards, Bill U

Hello, Your grandfather seems to have been an officer in the luftschutzpolizei, which was the rescue and air raid service of the police. Many whom were too old or disabled from military service ended up in the LSP. Most members were on in years. The uniform was Luftwaffe gray but with a police sleeve eagle. Regards, William Unland

Perhaps this comparison photo will be helpful. he pin on the right is the civilian police employee badge, and that on the left the pin for civilian employees of the armed forces.

Regards,

Bill Unland

Dear Gordon,

Nice photo. The young Major the RF is talking to is also a Gendarmerie officer as you can see his orange piped boards and collar trim. He is probably the MG commander in the field. I think this photo was taken early in the Polish campaign when the Army FG had not yet been deployed.

Regards,

Bill Unland

Hello,

I'm sure the acceptance stamp is good, just never seen one on a NS-Zeit cap. Usually they are stamped "Po" with a date. Pre-war it was common to see branch specific stamps. This one is "nicer" than the normal in my opinion. Nice maker address too. next to the Hofbrauhaus!

Here is a heavily field worn MG tunic that would have been worn when they provided FG services at the beginning of the war.

Regards,

Bill Unland

Hello,

Late to the party. Nice cap. Indeed the WSP used over sized gold bullion cap eagles. Here is a comparison I made some time back showing the size in relationship to a metal cap eagle and a sleeve eagle.

The WSP seems to have used navy caps as much as they did police type civil caps. Considering that most WSP officers were assigned from the navy, it makes sense that they would re-badge their navy caps rather than buy a new cap.

Anyway, congratulations. Very difficult to find cap.

Regards,

Bill Unland

Very nice. Never seen an acceptance stamp like that before.

Regards,

Bill Unland

Gary,

I am personally hurt that you would accuse me, even indirectly so, of posting YOUR photos when you know that is NOT the case. I solicited these photos on the other forum for public access, and did the photoshop enhancements as shown here. If you contributed any original photos to this you did so knowing they were going to be shared with all, so I am a bit taken aback by your comment made here.

I have offered you my sincere assistance with your project, and have provided you with many materials and photos for same. This thread is three years old, and you have been aware of it since it was initially posted.

You may e-mail me copies of the originals that you might have provided to this study and I will ask the mod to remove them, but as I recall it was only one photo. The others were obtained from contributors and from web sources. I am very disappointed that you find it to your benefit to poison our collecting relationship after all these years.

W.Unland

Believe me, the smell will go away, big moth bites will not. I use some bags they have here in Japan that have the repellent in the paper like material of the bag. No smell, but that's here not there. Most important is to air them outside on nice sunny dry days. Keeps the mildew away. Moth larvae are really tough if you get them so best to keep the moths away in the first place with a repellent.

Bill U

Hello,

Looks like a very nice Gendarmerie reserve lieutenant's greatcoat. I see no problems at all.

Regards,

Bill Unland

Dear Paul,

Yes red and gray, or later plain gray was indicative of the Verwaltungspolizei, or the administrative branch.

Dear Sid,

Sorry I don't have the cited book available. As far as cufftitles go, the only two I know of authorized for CIVIL police wear were the Motorized Genderm and Werhmacht cuffs, which to my knowledge were worn on the lower LEFT sleeve of the tunic. I suppose a COMBAT assigned cop could have had a service related cufftitle on the right sleeve, but it would not have been police related.

W.Unland

Hello,

In my opinion, and it is just MY opinion it is acceptable to restore original insignia to tunics. I am convinced that MOST tunics were de-nazified after the war so restoration is acceptable to me.

As far as repairing moth holes etc. I personally see no problem with that, although reweaving can be very expensive.

In my humble opinion returning any tunic to it's original configuration is OK, but that is my opinion.

Good luck,

W.Unland

Hello,

The reserve 1st lieutenant of Schutzpolizei tunic and overcoat for a SchPo nco both look OK.

The tunic will require an officer's bullion eagle and a pair of officer's tabs to restore.

The overcoat has a shadow of a cufftitle on the right sleeve. VERY odd. There were no cufftitles authorized for the police worn there. It also has the green collar, which is "OK" for late war overcoats, but I would prefer the M36 coat with brown collar if I were buying.

In short, if offered to me I would be interested in the Lt.'s tunic, but only if the price were right. A good eagle and tabs are going to cost another 300 Euro to complete it.

Good luck,

W.Unland

Sorry,

It looks like a nice original Gendarmerie tunic, with Fire Department tabs and a reproduction eagle. A VERY bad put together uniform, ruining a nice Gend tunic.

W.Unland

Dear Chris,

The Southern Cross was authorized as a traditions badge by some Berlin Schutzpolizei units until 1939 I believe, after which it was to be removed. Here is a photo of the badge in wear:

W.Unland