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The Ehrenpreis is a stunning piece ,the eagles are made in 835 silver not bronze like others I have seen.

Gunner,

I know that promotions are often retrospective which I presume may be the case here.How do I get to the KTB and Sonderberichte?I do not even know his unit though!

Dem Sieger im Luftkampf 10.8.17 Lt.z.S.Friedrich Chorus

Two eagles fighting in the air on a pedestal like the ones on the pokal.

Alex

He must have had credited recorded kills as he did have a aerial kills trophy

Were would I find out about whether he received a Ehrenpreis and if he had kills

Claudius I am priviliged to have his engraved WW1 Naval dagger ,thus my interest.I am happy to post a photo .

This from the Crew Book of Crew 1907.

Regards

Glenn

This from the Crew Book of Crew 1907.

Regards

Glenn

glenn I suppose there is no chance of a better quality photo?

Thanks for that guys

Many thanks Glen and Chris. I do not have access to those publications are reaaly appreciate your kind help .I will post a photo later of my item from Chorus.I am away for a week.

Alex,

I am really very thankful for the info.I will help me a lot with my research .

Please advise the source of this information if you do not mind as it may point me in the right direction in future.

I believe he was born 0n 29/6/1888 .and his last rank was Kplt. a.d.This is from Ancestry.com

Looking for photo and info on Friedrich Chorus WW1 Marine Pilot

Chris ,

These are all unanswered questions .

What would be great is if other collectors could send photos and info on their KS98 bayonet markings and we could start a data base for our research .

I understand KS98 bayonets and rifles were also sent to GEA from GSWA in 1914 due to toal blockades of GEA .So they were brought bake from there as well .The Sch.DOA marked bayonets are seen less frequently .

I have just found a photo on another GSWA KS98 bayonet on Gunboards.com Forum .It is a W04 marked KS3175 with the 5,6mm "K" and 3,8mm numbers !Once again is a style one .

Thanks for pointing all that out . That was just another trap .Thanks to you and ohers in the GMIC we are able to stop falling into these traps.

Hucks,

Thanks for the feedback .I have also done a bit of research and discovered that the SS Freiwilligen Panzer Grenadier Brigade Nederland was formed on 19/7/43 and the 4.SS Freiwilligen Panzer Grenadier Brigade was formed in Nov 1943 (From Europaische Freiwillige by Ertel/Schulze )Would you agree with that?

In German Niederland is the correct spelling but in older German Neederland might be correct .?

I will try to get better photos of signature.

Is there anybody that could verify the typestyles from Hitlers typewriter? Compared to other documents on Der Fuhrer letterhead.

Any idea of value should the doc be real?

Thanks again

Could I have opinions on this dynamite document and an idea of the market value .It is accompanied by the letter of the guy who liberated it .It is signed by Adolf in ink and just to the right below Neederland is H.Himmlers intial (two h's with a stripe through)in a blue type pencil?The eagle is embossed on the letterhead.

It looks really kosher to me .http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2012/post-13922-0-03047800-1341440637.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_07_2012/post-13922-0-36034200-1341440746.jpg

Artists license ? Remember he was a pretty old guy when the painting would have been done.

Chris also note that none of the sizes of lettering or numbering conforms to the "Stempelvorschrift " of D.V.E. Nr. 185 -"Vorschrift ueber das Strempeln der Handwaffen vom 28 Januar 1909" . According to these regs . the letters should be 4,2mm and numbering of weapon should be 2,1mm .These sizes were adhered to on the swords !

It seems they used whatever punches they had available in the colonies!

Then style three

Then style two

This is an interesting question. I'm not really sure, but here's my thoughts on it based on the bayonets on this page from various private collectors-

http://s400910952.we...yonets dswa.htm

The DSWA kS98 bayonets shown on the webpage are in order of their weapon numbers-

KS1516 W10 leather grip

KS1613 W06 leather grip

KS2183 W12 leather grip

KS2556 W12 leather grip

KS2698 W12 leather grip

KS2749 W12 leather grip

KS4892 W12 leather grip

KS4916 W12 leather grip

KS5278 W12 rubber grip

KS11067 W?? leather grip

KS85.34 W06 leather grip

As I understand it, the date was marked at the factory where it was made and the weapon number was marked by the local armourer in the colony at the time of issue.

Although this is only a small sample and not conclusive, I’d speculate then that these bayonets were all issued after 1910 (if the KS1613 is numbered after a W10 bayonet that seems reasonable). So none of these were in use during the Herero Rebellion when Schutztruppe numbers were over 10,000.

As Chris Boonzaier has said there may have been gaps in the sequence and the sequence probably did not start at 1. 1,000 is more likely. I have not seen any DSWA kS98 bayonets number 1-999.

The numbers from 2,000 up are a new W12 batch, I would speculate. The numbers might well have run sequencially from 2,000-5,000 or higher.

The KS5278 having unvulcanised rubber grips was issued in early 1914. Or at least it was re-gripped then. It may have seen earlier service with leather grips, but it looks too clean and shiny to have worn through one pair of grips.

I would speculate then that these were the last issued kS98, and that’s how high the numbers went, the early 5,000s. These are only the Erfurt manufactured bayonets though. There were also the Horster 1913 kS98 bayonets which do not seem to have been weapon numbered.

I think of the other two bayonets KS11067 and KS85.34 they must have been working to a different numbering system, something localised perhaps or maybe a system pre-dating the others. I don’t understand it but as KS85.34 is W06, it seems unlikely that it was issued three thousand numbers after a 1914 bayonet. Maybe the punctuation between the 85 and the 34 is significant in some way.

It also seems odd that if all the bayonets in between 5,000 and 11,000 exist, it’s odd we don’t see any numbered 6,000 or 9,000.

I don’t know all the answers here, but hopefully we can work some of it out between us….

Cheers

Chris

Chris ,

From the examples I have acces to .All Erfurt leather grip.

KS2118 W07

KS5031 W12

KS8220 W09

KS8454 W07

KS10195 W10

KS10998 W10

Another interesting observation that there are 2 styles and sizes of "KS" letters where the "K" is distinctly different style and size

Then there are two sizes of numbering!

The style one the "KS" has 5.6mm high letters and 3,8mm numbers and the following bayonets seem to have that size

KS1516 W10

KS2118 W07

KS2183 W12

KS2232 W ?

KS2556 W12

KS2698 W12

KS2749 W12

KS4892 W12

KS4916 W12

KS5031 W12

KS5278 W12

KS8220 W09

The style two the "KS" has 5,1mm high letters and 2,6 mm numbers and the following seem to have that size

KS8534 W06

KS10195 W10

KS10988 W10

KS11067 W?

Then style three the "KS" has 5,1mm high letters and 3,8mm high numbers and the following seem to have that size

KS1613 W06

KS8454 W07

I have measured those bayonets I have access to and estimated the others from the photos .

What seems to emerge ,although the sample is probably to small ,is that the numbering must have happened maybe at three different times of bayonets in stock regardless of the year of manufacture

I think style three must have been early say around 1907/08 purely because no bayonets manufacture dates are marked post 1907

I think style two could have been mid period say 1910 because no bayonets manufacture dates are marked post 1910

And lastly style one seems to have been the last around 1913 as no bayonet manufacture dates are beyond 1912

Chris,

You are right about the KS98 years.One sees many from 1907 onwards and very few earlier.It is strange that that one does not see other bayonets except KS98 coming out of GSWA and East Africa .Certainly the numbers go up to multiple thousands as seen on the Colonial Uniforms website where a KS98 from 1913 numbered over 11,000 is seen ..

Some further research is needed here .

Certainly period photos show the Gew 98 in most photos .See this photo

Color photo of color oil painting of Kirchheim