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Hendrik, Thanks for the reply and the copy image!! OMG!! It?s a very good copy I?ll keep my eyes open to find another one for you... Cheers, Ricardo

Here?s two examples from some friends here in Brazil. The green stripe always on the right side...

Hi Hendrik, Can you tell me more about what makes you think my medal is a original? I bought this medal from a antiques shop in Rio de Janeiro. Thanks, Ricardo

Hello Ulsterman, Thanks for the nice comments! Yes. S?o Paulo issued some medals and a very large number of Pro-S?o Paulo propaganda pins. Some pins are very hard to find items here in Brazil, especially the rings of fund raising campaign to help S?o Paulo with the war. Even defeated, S?o Paulo citzens (paulistas) like me, are very very proud with the sense of duty ours granfathers had during those days... It was a very short but bloody war, with more than 980 killed in 85 days of combat (some sources says more than 2000 dead). There?s many interesting and curious aspects in this revolution including air raids and naval blockades. I?ll try to find a very good text in english I have somewhere to share here. Cheers, Ricardo

Hello Paul, I think that very few were awarded - just to selected sailors and officers that served in the Cruiser. Cheers,

Hello all!! My two grandfathers fought for S?o Paulo during this revolution, so I was able to make the display below using family pictures Hope you like it!! Mario Della Rosa (in the right) Manoel Maia Neto (also in the right) Cheers, Ricardo

Hello!! How can I help you?? Cheers, Ricardo http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9570

Hello all, In 1920, the government of Brazil sends the Armored Cruiser "S?o Paulo" to bring the Belgium King Alberto I for a official visit to Brazil. Here?s the beautiful medal given to sailors that escorted the King during this period. Cheers, Ricardo

Hello all! Thanks for the nice comments I?ll take some pics of the argentinian badge that belonged to a brazilian fighter pilot and post here soon along with some new pics of the entire collection. Cheers, Ricardo

Thanks Nesredep!! Not many people knows about brazilian role in WWII Here?s a good text about it: http://www.tau.ac.il/eial/VI_2/mccann.htm Back to the displays, here?s another upgrade. This time for Brazilian Air Force Cheers!! Ricardo

Here?s my Brazilian Army upgraded display. Cheers, Ricky

Here?s a small correction about the combination of insignia to determine the Order degree: -Gr?o Cruz - insignias with crown (collar OR sash / breast star) -Grande Dignit?rio - insignias with crown (large neck badge and breast star) -Dignit?rio - insignias without crown (neck badge and breast star) -Comendador - insignias without crown (simple medal suspended by ribbon) -Oficial- insignia without crown (breast star) -Cavaleiro - insignia with crown (simple medal suspended by ribbon) Thanks,

Hello Guy, In fact a nice article!! Many breast stars have that green enamel. Many don?t. Cheers, Ricardo

Hello James, They?re not listed by relevance. The Emperor had many orders at His disposal, but the Order of the Rose and the Southern Cross were more used and considered "true brazilian" orders. The portuguese orders were more used during D. Pedro I period, before the independence. The Tower and Sword along with Vila Vi?osa were created in Brasil, but under the rules of Portugal by D. Joao. Cheers, Ricardo

Let me finish with a beautiful image of Lu?s Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias (August 25, 1803?May 7, 1880) Considered one of the most important heroes in Brazilian military history, Caxias fought in the Argentina-Brazil War, the War of Tatters, and, most notably, in the War of Triple Alliance. He was the only non-royal Brazilian to receive the honorary title of Duke. The Brazilian holiday Dia do Soldado (Portuguese, "Day of the Soldier"), celebrated on his birthday, August 25, and the cities of Duque de Caxias and Caxias do Sul are named in his honor. He is honoured as the Patron of the Brazilian Army.

Thanks Hugh! Here?s a wonderful image for your viewing pleasure. The original statutes of the Order of the Rose and some studies signed by Eug?ne de la Michellerie and Pezerat. Most of collectors assume that the aproved project was this one with some little changes. These documents are on the Imperial Museum, Petropolis, Rio de Janeiro (http://www.museuimperial.gov.br/tour_museu_eng.htm)

Hello 922F, Let me try to put some additional info about this Order from Poliano?s book. My english is not that much, but I?ll try - The order was established in october, 17 1829 to celebrate the wedding of D. Pedro I with D. Amelia de Leuchtenberg. The history says that D. Amelia was wearing a dress with little roses when she arrived in Rio de Janeiro and this gave the Emperor the idea to create a romantic order inspired by the beauty of his future wife. This is very beautiful, but cannot be true because D. Amelia arrived in Rio and the first Orders was awarded on the next day after the wedding. Monuments were made in all Rio de Janeiro to celebrate the wedding. Many of them had the insignias of the Order of the Southern Cross, Aviz, Christ... The Order of the Rose was not mentioned in any of these monuments. On a main square in Rio, was a monument created for the wedding by Grandjean de Montigny, and was written: Valor (Valour); Lealdade (Loyalty); Prud?ncia (Prudence); Const?ncia (????); Amor (Love) and Fidelidade (Fidelity) The author think that the IDEA of the Order happened on those days, and the creation of the insignias happened later. - Many people think that the order was created by Debret, but Imperial Museum in Petropolis have some official drawings signed by Eug?ne de la Michellerie and Pezerat. (I?ll post a picture later) - During the War of Triple Alliance (1864 to 1870) were distributed the majority of the Orders awarded. - The people awarded with the order had to buy their insignia. The only exception was those awarded for bravery in combat and for foreigners. Gr?o Cruz (any order).................630$000 Grande Dignit?rio Order of the Rose..................500$000 Dignit?rio Order of the Rose / Order of the Southern Cross.........390$000 Comendador Order of the Rose...............280$000 Oficial Order of the Rose / Order of the Southern Cross.......220$000 Comendador (any order)............180$000 Cavaleiro (any order)...........110$000 Here?s the numbers of orders awarded:

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Hi 922F, Yes, I think that Poliano had acess to the original statutes. There?s a full transcription in his book. Will see at home and then return to you. I even got a illustration regarding the order?s creation (attributed to Eug?ne de la Michellerie) - will post them later. About the question regarding if people had to buy their insignia, I got the period prices list and will post it to you. Look at this pictures taken from a brazilian museum. There?s no grade attribution on them...and I think that the green (or red) enamel goes in the same way. Cheers, Ricardo

Dear Hugh and 922F, I never heard the thing about green enamel before. Can you provide me some additional info??? In my experience what makes the difference between the grades on this order, is the combination of insignias: -Gr?o Cruz - insignias with crown (collar OR sash / breast star) -Grande Dignit?rio - insignias with crown (large neck badge and breast star) -Dignit?rio - insignias without crown (neck badge and breast star) -Comendador - insignias with crown (small neck badge and breast star) -Oficial- insignia without crown (simple medal suspended by ribbon) -Cavaleiro - insignia with crown (simple medal suspended by ribbon) Here?s a picture of Luiz Marques Poliano?s book (Imprensa Nacional, Rio de Janeiro, 1943). There?s some variations (smaller silver breast star without crown for ladies) not covered by this book. I have seen many Orders here in brazilian museums, and I think that this variations depends on how much money a person could spend on the insignia...versions in gold, with diamonds and stones... Tomorrow I?ll post some curious variations that I found on the internet. Hope it helps, Ricardo

Thanks Hugh and 922F. This is a "Grande Dignit?rio" breast star. There?s a little mark on the back that MAY BE a hallmark. I?ll have to check it with my macro lens ?cos its impossible to say even with a good magnifying glass. Here?s a couple of different angles

I?m proud to present you the new flower in the garden :jumping: Cheers, Ricky

Lars, A wonderful set of miniatures!! Great!!

Thanks Hugh! Rio de Janeiro is a very beautiful place. Lots to see!! Here?s a picture of my couple that soon will be a trio. Cheers, Ricardo

:speechless: Congratulatins Hugh!!! One of the finest examples I ever seen!!! :jumping: I?m waiting for a breast star just like yours and I hope will come in the next days Take a look at my website about brazilian medals and orders (portuguese only ) www.ommb.com.br Cheers, Ricardo