Paul L Murphy

It does show a box - but it does say "Original Box?" - with the question mark!

Paul, is that the one??

The box I saw was slightly more tan in colour but pretty close to this.

The only original box I have seen for this was made from brown lacquer, not black. The ribbon here is too "fresh" looking also it is unwatered, the original ribbon is watered silk.

The medal is real but the ribbon is a modern replacement (the auction description does say this). The box is not original either. I would be surprised if it goes for less than 500,000 yen.

What is the badge size difference ? Did anyone get to measure it ? Was the Adams cap badge approx 6 mm larger in diameter than a 1922 all ranks pattern cap badge ?

Regards - An Ceallach

I know a couple of people who handled it and all said it was the larger post 1924 patttern size, not the earlier version.

It is from the 1970s or later.

I have gone through my various reference books and cannot find anything (so they are not in the standard French books for these badges).

Dan,

Send me a PM with your email address since I am disposing of a collection of German stamps and it includes many of the 3rd Reich era sets that might be of interest to you.

Regards,

Paul

The characters are a woman's name (it is the same characters on the lid and inside). Also this case was used for Japanese Red Cross medals as well so I suspect it was put together with the Manchurian medal since a female recipient would have had a bow ribboned medal.

Still a nice medal though and getting hard to find.

I agree with you on this one. It is definitely a post 1924 cap badge. If you look at photos of Collins in Free State Army uniform his cap badge is smaller than this pattern (which did not exist while he was alive). The auction description is also carefully worded. Somebody was burnt on this, a rather expensive lesson.

I wrote up a short (but incomplete) history of the group on my website:

http://www.imperialj...com/budoku.html

In a sense the group did issue the Butoku-kai medals on behalf of the government of Japan since the latter had pretty much taken over the group. Semantics, I suppose, but it is important to know that the group issued membership and merit medals and they were issued with the direct blessing of the government.

And although there is a present-day group with the same name as the older one, they are not directly related. The later group took its name from the former and they both are (were) concerned with the martial arts, but they are not the same group.

A huge number of organisations in Imperial Japan issued badges and medals with the approval of the government, however they are awards of those individual groups and not government issued awards. The Butokukai, and indeed other groups such as the Patriotic Women's Association or the Imperial Time Expired Soldier's League, were able to issue their own awards that could in many cases be worn in uniform but they had no direct role in deciding who got government awards such as the Sacred Treasure or Rising Sun. I believe this latter point was the gist of the original question in post 1 of this topic.

They had no role in the issuance of medals. While they are an official organisation their activities were (and are) in the area of martial arts and the promotion thereof.

What has been offered to you is a piece of junk. The centre is actually a British Army junior officer's rank star. This has been affixed to what is probably a piece of costume jewelry.

Interesting. I can work out that this would have been a five level increase, but not six ! Even then you have to think that the Rising Sun and Sacred Treasure are two levels (even for the same class). A 3rd Class Sacred Treasure would normally have been earned by an officer below the rank of general once they had served about 30 years since it tended to be used as a long service award in the military. I guess they wanted something to hang around his neck but the 3rd Class Rising Sun was a step too far.

A 5th Class or 4th Class Rising Sun would have been the normal award that a Lt Colonel would have received.

Superb, much nicer condition than the norm.

So, I believe the silver colored writing is consistent with the period, earlier ones were of gold, so I think you're good there. I believe this was issued to a civilian, Mr. Masao Daishou (Taishou?). I don't see a military rank there. I'd say there is a good chance the award and certificate go together (at least period-wise), but it's hard to be 100% certain short of acquiring the items directly from a family, or from a VERY reputable seller, or someone you truly trust. Alas, I've seen too many instances of awards and documents being put together and sold as matched, when indeed they were not. I'd like to think the majority are legitimate, and they probably are.

This is almost certainly a military award for the China Incident since it was awarded on 29th April 1940. Showa order certificates do not show military rank, only Meiji era order certs have the recipients rank details. What this certificate does show is that the recipient was already a holder of an 8th class award (either a Rising Sun or Sacred Treasure, one cannot tell which from the cert). Hence this is almost certainly an NCO who either won an 8th class Rising Sun at an earlier time (some soldiers got the 8th class in the Manchurian Incident and went on to win the 7th as NCOs post 1937) or else has served over 20 years so he got the 8th class Sacred Treasure for long service.

If you are interested in WWII items then this is worth keeping.

Nce stuff Paul - you have tunics - you must have a bearskin?

Unfortunately not. I have always baulked at the price they go for on ebay etc !

Last for now, an Irish Guard's WO2 rank badge.

Some officer's cap badges, WWI era and then more recent

Followed by the full dress tunic of a guardsman (missing a button)

Next we have the full dress tunic for a drummer.

Just to add a few bits and pieces of Irish Guards items that I have in my collection.

Up first a standard beret for a Guardsman with recent issue cap badge.

Next a full dress shoulderboard for a captain in the Irish Guards, followed by a full dress shoulderboard for an NCO.

These are an interesting collecting area, and most notes are relatively inexpensive. The Japanese issued 35 different occupation notes for China and Indochina, 14 notes for the Dutch East Indies, 10 for Malaya, 13 for Philippines, 9 for Burma and 4 for Australia. Obviously the Australian notes were never used !

Prior to this they issued military notes for the Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, Tsingtau Expedition in 1914-15 and the Siberian Expedition in 1919-20. Most of these earlier notes are scarce and expensive with almost no examples of Sino Japanese War notes surviving.

And here is the last photo from Greg.