Robin Lumsden

That's a nice picture Chris.

It isn't often you see these patches with the officer piping.

.....worn by the flag bearers.

...and here's the centrepiece of the gorget......

.....and some other bits.....

Wow - a superb find, and with the photo as well. Do you have the cuff band of the flag bearer as well? :-)

Scott

Unfortunately not. But I do have an example of the later woven version. Here it is......

So.....this cloth EK is my all-time favourite (and there's another on the reverse side of the flag!)

Not for bravery or anything like that.......but when would you find another?

And a close-up of the skull.

Here's the same type of flag being carried by the Wehrwolf in it's earliest days.....1923-24.

Here it is again.......from a different perspective.

Here's a woollen EK2 I recently picked up.......

You have to wonder if anyone seriously thinks they will get an original PLM off eBay.

It's like bidding on eBay for a VC. Not moneywise, but you know what I mean.

Publication has apparently been delayed until the end of November at the earliest.

It looks like one of these books where they take advance orders to pay for the publishing!

I agree. It's the same as the diamond badges that appeared in the grips of reproduction HJ knives about 30 years ago.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Ed. It seems to me to be entirely possible that a police officer of his rank would receive the Prussian award in that grade for looking after royal security..........even if it was something of a 'diplomatic trinket'.

I agree with Rick that bidding on something a fellow Forum member had been interested in is unsporting, but I am not above using Bid robot or one of the other snipers if I have been in it from the start of the auction. In this day and age, it seems like it is the only way to possibly win a "hot" item. After losing to several "in the last 5 seconds" of the auction, I added the sniper to my bag of tricks, as I am sure many here have also done. A lot of folks would be hesitant to admit it though.

'Unsporting'??....... perish the thought, old bean!

Seriously though, in this particular case I think it's pretty unlikely that any of the bidders had even heard of this forum.

I also use a sniper.....it's the ONLY way to bid, and wholly ethical in my opinion.

AGH! I thought you HAD it, Robin!!!!

Generally not a good idea to "talk up" items which are Still Out There since it may well result in the previously-lone-interested-party being outbid. Some "reward" that ends up being, eh?

There are folks who are not polite about "first dibs" situations.

It was actually interesting to watch the bidding. There were two very determined guys (I wasn't one of them, I hasten to add) who were bidding against each other for the whole week (starting well before I posted this thread).......then along comes a sniper and wins the group!

I think it could well have been the same guy who got the Freikorps group last year.

"Cheap" at twice the price! Did you get it?

Unfortunately.......no.

It sold for 625 Euro.

Thanks Rick. These minis are on eBay at the moment......last couple of hours of the auction and the bids are rocketing.

To me, that photo says 'RZM', not 'REM'.

That said, it's not one I'd be happy with.

I was looking through Woolley's excellent Freikorps book this morning and had a closer look at the photo of Berthold's adjutant.......Hauptmann Phillip, in his police uniform.

The medal group he is wearing has all four of the awards above in full size (along with a few others). His Order of St. Anne is the Christian variety. So at least it's confirmation that the St. Anne awards were given to the Freikorps of the Iron Division.

Robin

I think you'd find that there were exactly two types and no "other", so regardless personal beliefs/philosophy one qualified for "Christian" (the vast majority) or "Non -C".

Peter

Exactly the point I was trying to make!

I dont understand why this is a jewish set?

George

That's my thoughts too. I don't know much about Russian awards, but I would have thought that 'non-Christian' meant just that.........most of these Freikorps types were nihilists!

In any event, isn't it likely that the White Russian army distributed these Czarist awards without too much deference to their originally intended purpose? I would have thought that one Russian trinket would have been much like another so far as a German mercenary was concerned.

Of course, but in Freikorps?

Yes. I don't see why not. Unusual, but not impossible. Even Hitler was 'sympathetic' to Jews who had won the Iron Cross in the Great War.

Very cool!

I own Avalov's personal flag...

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4544

A wonderful standard!

(Would have been even better with a skull, though!)