E Williams

Would anyone have a 20D shoulder board? The troop, front, second from left, his shoulder board insignia is see-able under glass.

Not knowing anything about uniforms, I agree DR 20 makes sense for Karlsruhe. Still, they are in front of LGR 109's Kaserne, not DR 20's, which was two blocks to the south. There used to be a park behind the DR 20 Kaserne, between the Hilda Promenade and Moltkestrasse. I suppose they assembled in the park for the photo.

Times like this is when I enjoyed taking a day and doing some Before and After Searching in Europe/Germany. I use to get a monthly magazine that the publishers did exactly that, find a photograph and then find the place where it was taken.

E

My mg bayo matches your Luger soooooo sell to me.

Eric

See, you have something I don't, that I want. I have a sawback S98/05 but it's unmarked to any unit, let alone a MG unit..

You would not believe how jealous I am .... :-(

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I hear tell, you have machine-guns!!!!!

1915 DWM unit marked 181. (JR) 4. (company) Saxon unit.

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All of them are wearing high riding boots and the Noncom standing center is wearing riding boots with spurs attached.

I think much more likely that it is the Karlsruhe based Dragoner-Regiment Nr. 20.

Regards

Glenn

That would make them part of the 28th J.D., a Baden Div and was mostly recruited from Baden. Sounds good.

The guy on the left has riding boots with spurs and an open face belt buckle.

Hello,

here two pictures from my relative.

The champagne and cognac will probably ended up in the bellies of the officers.

Damn!!! You guys are bringing back memories. The picture on the left reminds me on the Sundry boxes we got occasionally filled with cigarettes, chocolate (we called them John Wayne bars) only John Wayne could eat them, writing material, toiletries; etc etc . I do believe the german soldier ate better than the other armies during the Great War, especially if you were on the Western Front.

The postcard was sent from Karlsruhe, but it was sent to his brother in Niederflockenberg in Westphalia. By 1916, IR 20, like many Prussian regiments from rural areas, had received numerous replacements from more populous areas like Westphalia and the Rhineland.

By the way, it appears that the photo was taken in front of the Grenadier-Kaserne in Karlsruhe, home of Baden's Leib-Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 109. Here is a picture of that Kaserne from a few weeks ago:

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Interesting, thanks Dave. Those Kasernes haven't changed a bit I see. My group artillery Kaserne in Baben-Hausen was barracked in a WWI artillery Kaserne. It's very possible I've been in that Kaserne. I had an uncle stationed there and his german wife lived on in Karlsruhe after they divorced. She originally was from Neckerzimmern.

But, why would a Regt based from Bradenburg be barracked in Karlsruhre? Maybe I'm not reading your reply right?

Do you concentrate on looking for MG ones, or are there for some rason proportionally more MG ones?

I ask because all my war time marked bayonets seem to be MG units...

Yes, I do look for MG unit marked ones Chris, hard to find in good condition but easier to find than Dragoon, Cuirassier or Hussar. The collectors who have those hang on to them and the ones available are out of my reach. I want a Dragoon one that is available to go along with my Dragoon Schrimmutz but it's just not possible. But MG marked are harder to find than Inf and Artillery especially Bavarian.

I'm always looking for a MG unit marked bayonet.................................

Here is a photo postcard. Their haube covers are marked '20'. The postcard was mailed in Karlsruhe and made in Karlsruhe but from my research material, the 20th was a Bradenburg unit, all of them. Am I looking in the wrong place?

Any translation of the card text would be great.

Thanks

Ed

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1910 DWM unit marked 142.R.M.G.77 part of the 142 Infantry Regt, 29th Div. A Baden Division.

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I've seen a concrete bench like the one those soldiers are sitting on either in Spain or Crete.

I like that...a name with a photo...nice!!!

Hello:

post # 37 : not a name but the usual note on unit stamp on clothing or equipment :from unit store room "Geprueft" or checked.

Beautiful!

Bernhard H.Holst

Thanks Bernhard........................

Hi Ed,

I need a really high definition scan of one with swords :-)

I will attach to an email and send what I have.

What a MEZ 2nd Cl?

Sent you off a link.

as so?

Hi,

I need a good scan of a MEZ 2nd class and a Hausorden of Hohenzollern to use for a Project. They need to be single., on a ribbon.... like the pic below.....

I think I can do that. Give me a few...............

Ed

Weapon of the future...

That reminds me of cases and cases of beer coming in on a pallet hanging from underneath a Chinook at our FWD firebase in Nam. One thing we had plenty of was beer, not so much potable water but beer we had plenty of.

I hope you don´t blame me for getting a heart attack while searching...

And, yes, surely MG, not 16

Not actually searching...finding one, maybe!!!!

That's a 'MG' for sure on the cover...............

Ed

E Williams:

No, the MGSS were set-up at the beginning of 1916. The school was in Rozoy (set up ocotber 1916), it was called MGSS Kommando West. It later came to Tongern.

Here is the list of the bavarian MGSS:

bav. MGSS Abtl. 1 (former Nr.1 of Armee-Abtl. C) - from MGSS-Trupps 46, 187 and 188 - 1.october 1916 - 1st bav. Inf.Div.

bav. MGSS Abtl. 2 (former Nr.137 of 2.Armdee) - from MGSS -Trupps 137, 189 and 190 - 7.october 1916 - 2nd bav.Inf.Div.

bav. MGSS Abtl. 3 (former Nr.2 of Armee-Abtl. Strantz) - from MGSS-Trupps 42, 43, 193 - 24.november 1916 - 1st bav. Landwehr-Division

bav. MGSS Abtl. 4 (former MGSSAbtl. 1st bav.Ldw.Div. of Armme-Abtl. Strantz) - from MGSS Trupps 135, 136, 138 - ocotber 1916 - 1st bav. Ldw.Div.

You know now what you have done, Andy??? I'm going to search and search and hold out for a Luger with anyone of the about unit marks on it!!!!

But it´s a simple soldier. I don´t think, he travelled far away. The 16th regiment came from Passau (315km) and Landshut (195km)

If he's from the 12th as you believe, the 12th was part of the 2nd Bavarian Div and considered one of Germany's top shock divisions.