E Williams

I have seen an Alpenkorps EK doc that was awarded to a Signals guy in 1914, who was then later in a Signals unit in the alpenkorps later, but unfortunately no record of just which unit he was in...

He was in an ALPENKORPS and then later in the ALPENKORPS? Did you mean to say he was in the Lieb Rgt and then later in the AlpenKorps? Confused a bit...........

Well, your speculation is as valid as mine, I am not sure exactly HOW they did it with the signals guys :-(

Thanks for your input...............Cheers

Hi,

from the straps I would say Leib Regt from day 1, unless there is evidence to the contrary I dont see any reason why they would have been in a Signal Abteilung before hand? I love Alpenkorps!!!

Chris..............True, I'm going on that assumption and from info I read of Kaisercross, at the outbreak in 1914, there were only two Signal Units, one was out of Berlin and the other was Bavarian which was attached to the Bav Cavalry Corps at the outbreak. I don't believe the High Command would transfer them out and into the Lieb Regt but create a new Signal unit for the Lieb Regt since it was 1915 the German High Command realized just how important battlefield communications were. They could have taken some experienced signalmen from teir original Signal Abteilung as they did when they created the MGSSS Trupps. Just speculating here......

Since they were Lieb Regt shoulder boards and wear mountain boots, I would understand them to in the newly formed Alpine Corps. The telegrapher's belt buckles are of brass and not late war steel also.

Ed

I like the Leib Regt one!!!

Chris, what's your take on what related assumptions I have made? Do you concur, disagree; etc etc?

You guys crack me up!!!!!!

I'll make it all up, I'll commit to another Gigolo job.....................

Glad you got the Signal one!

Mind telling me (even in PM) how much you paid?

In Dollars, Pound Sterling or Gold Bars?

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First one is just a young fellow, studio shot. My interest in this one was he wears mountain boots.

This second one was quite sought after which drove up the price, for me, it had more than one interest:

Group Shot

Bavarain Lieb Regiment and with the presence of mountain boots, I would understand they are part of the newly formed Alpine Corps, formed from the Lieb Regiment as it's core in 1915.

I believe these guys were formed from the Signal Abteilung that were part of the Bavarian Cav Corps at the outbreak in 1914.If this is a possibility, my S.A. Luger could be related.

What can be seen in the photo is:

Two Iron Crosses

Two Telegrapher's Belt Buckles

Field Telephone

Telephone Earpiece

Signaling Light

Telephone Earpiece Leather Case

Leather re-enforced Trousers

Mountain Boots

Luger Holster

My budget for photo cards has just about reached it's limit already but, considering it was the Crème de Crème for my Signal Abteilung display, it was worth it, I was prepared to go higher.

Nice article, very interesting. Thanks

Nice piece front and back.

Nice......how about the front? Nice too?

Mulhausen became Mulhouse after WWI.

Nice group there, Chris. I think it's the beginning of a very interesting year.....for everyone.

I agree the cert looks fishy but it does say:

"This Knight’s Cross will be sold framed and displayed with the original certificate – Signed By Adolf Hitler."

Maybe this is a copy for website display only. I would suggest anyone interested to contact the auction authority

"Come with me and I'll show you where the Iron Cross grows" Sgt Steiner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,

any idea why he would have those shoulder boards on a field grey jacket?

Nope, I haven't a clue, Chris.

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ht/kokarden.htm

So it says....................

1917, part of the 9th Bavarian Res Div. sent to the Somme to reinforce the Saillisel and Transloy sectors in Jan 1917. It was sent back in Feb and returned to the Ville au Bois sector where it opened an offensive against the French in April and then to Lorraine from May to Aug.

Aug it was in Flanders and then on to Ypres, then off back to Flanders to Ostend in Oct and Nov for rest.

Original signature? More than great stuff, yours is for his Oak Leaves.

http://www.lsbauctions.com/464/heinrich-schuler-knights-cross-consigned-at-lasb/

Here is the requested page. Not the best scan, but books aren't easy.

Chip

That be it...................

I found no other Lugers in Jeff's book with similar unit markings.

I see "107" :-)

107. looks more acceptable. You'll have to excuse my age, I'm deaf and dumb in both eyes.

Good luck finding a copy of Jeff's book...at a decent price. I was in the right place and the right time when offered the book. Hundreds of dollars when trying to buy one through any book retailer.

Do you have this book:

Handbuch Deutscher Waffenstempel auf Militar-und Diensthandwaffen 1871-2000 by Albrecht Wacker and Joachim Gortz?

All in German but with any knowledge of the language, you can get good info from it. Not cheap either but affordable. You can only get it out of Germany and through Amazon Germany.

Ed

Is it the same unit marking with just a different weapon number, or is it my exact pistol? Is the serial number visible?

I have been looking for a reasonably priced copy of this book for years! Would you mind scanning or photographing page 90 for me?

My mistake, different company, same regiment, which proves the armorer/s were consistent with his/their markings. Jeff does not quote the ser#. What would be interesting to see if it was the same armorer by examining the markings either by Luger or photographs and to find out if both markings are both on the trigger guard also, since both Lugers are 1915 dated, Jeff might know. He doesn't say in his book. I'll go through the years later today and see if he has anymore listed under the other years.

DWM 1915 3.M.G.K.N.14. L.J.R.K.W.II.N.2. <two lines>

(Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 3, Waffe Nr.14) (Landwehr Infantry-Regiment Kaiser Wilhelm II Nr. 2)

Jeff is a member here and he might be interested in having your info for his reference materials.

I can't scan it, my scanner went on the bum just before Christmas and I haven't replacement it yet.