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I bought these from Germany several years ago.
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Class and award date are correct. Kapitän zur See. I try to answer your question you tomorrow. I've been busy.
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Commander's Cross 2nd Class (not the first) of the Order of the White Rose of Finland with Swords.
Date is correct. He is listed as Kapitän zur See. Born 3.4.1895, Braunswalde.
Unfortunetly i'm not allowed to give any citations since further information is not open for public.1 -
"Admiral Ostlandin esikuntapäällikkönä persoonallisesti vaikuttanut meille erittäin edullisesti materiaalin vaihtoon ja yhteistoimintaan. Edellisiä koskevien neuvottelujen saksalaisena johtajana käyttänyt asemaansa molemminpuolisen hyvän vuorovaikutuksen lujittamiseksi."
"As Admiral Ostland's chief of staff, he personally influenced us in a very favorable way in exchange of material and cooperation. As the German leader of the previous negotiations, he used his position to strengthen mutual good interaction."
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9 minutes ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
Thank you Vili.
According to the information in his Personalakte, he was awarded the Medal of Merit for Civil Defense 1st Class in Silver on 15 October 1941. No clasp is mentioned.
Also, the German Wikipedia article states "With a clasp in times of war, without a clasp in times of peace. The medal without clasp could also be awarded to foreigners." https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdienstmedaille_für_Bevölkerungsschutzarbeit
Since he was a foreigner, I pressumed he didn't receive the clasp?
Do you have the source that states he was awarded the "1939-1940" clasp?
According to his medal index card he was was indeed awarded the clasp as well. Of course, it is another matter whether the clasp was delivered to him... I think it's likely his medal was sent first to finnish military attacé in Germany and that's why there is delay.Another possibility is that he was authorized to wear the medal date 15 October 1941 and this date is noted on the paper.
Yes, Foreigners can be awarded the medal without the claps for peace time merits.
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6 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
Also, if I understood correctly, the "Suojeluskunnan Ansioristi" came in two classes: Iron and Silver. Is that correct?
If so, which one did von Bonin receive?
Cross of merit of the Civil Guard was awarded in iron, silver and gold.
Von Bonin was awarded the cross in iron 4.12.1941.
Medal of Merit, First Class with clasp (1939-1940) of the Civil Defence was sent to him 28.3.1941.
According to the rules, only the 1st class of the medal could be awarded to a foreigner. Of course there are exceptions.
He was also awarded the Cross of Liberty 1st class 31.1.1942.
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This Swedish-language medal is actually not very common. The medal was intended to be kept together with the certificate of award, where it was originally attached. Sometimes you see the medal sewn together with other medals. The medal was designed by sculptor Oskari Jauhiainen.
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Maybe the seller can tell you the number...
https://www.tradera.com/item/292201/612603027/finland-spanne-med-8-medaljer1 -
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7 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
Thank you for the explanation.
But now I wonder what is the date (25 March 1942) that is written in the German document.
Sorry, my mistake. Hahah. 25.3.1942 is correct. The numbers switched places in my mind. I guess I was too tired to answer.
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32 minutes ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
Thank you Vili.
So which is the correct award date then? 23 May 1942 or 15 April 1942?
And was it with Oak Leaves and Swords or just with Oak Leaves?
The Cross of Liberty 2nd class with swords was awarded to him on 23 May 1942. His name is mentioned in list 46, page 1.
In the Commander-in-Chief's presentation No. 422 (April 15, 1942), the class was changed. This document was signed by the Commander-in-Chief, Marshal Mannerheim.
The new class was the 2nd class of the Cross of Liberty with swords and an oak leaf. So the previous cross was practically cancelled. The new cross is mentioned in list 49, page 2, under "changes". The date is still mentioned as 23 May 1942.
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9 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and Swords (25 March 1942)
Kapitän zur See Erich Schulte-Mönting was awarded the 2nd class 23.5.1942. The class was changed to the 2nd class of the Cross of Liberty with an oak leaf on 15.4.1942. Signed by Mannerheim.
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On 09/08/2023 at 13:55, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:
confirm if Wilhelm Meisel was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Swords on 21 May 1942.
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On 30/01/2022 at 15:04, JohanH said:
About this I don't know. Antti Matikkala was probably the worlds most knowledgeable person when it comes to orders from Finland. Unfortunately ha passed away a few years ago.
Me personally would go after the date Matikkala gives as he was a renowned researcher of Finnish orders and therefor presumably had access to everything.
March 25, 1942 is the right answer. Matikkala also states this.
The Führer's Adjutant General Rudolf Schmundt was awarded on June 4, 1942.
On 01/02/2022 at 20:12, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:Vizeadmiral z.V. Paul Wülfing von Ditten:
-Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Swords
Awarded in 1918 I believe.
May 19, 1918 is the right answer.
I wish I had time to give all the right answers
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I mean, if you gave his name I would have done the research in 2 minutes. Better if we forget about that.
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Since this is forum for research and sharing information, it would have been interesting to know why he won that cross.
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On 05/01/2021 at 13:44, JohanH said:
According to the seller it was awarded to a Swedish officer but without any proof, who knows?
Do you have recipient's name? Finns don't usually tell you that. I don't no why...
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9 hours ago, JohanH said:
Bad pics but if you want I can take better ones tomorrow.
Could you also post a picture of VM 1 without date (''URHEUDESTA'')
Almost impossible to obtain as well...- V
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Could you please post more detailed pictures..? (obverse/reverse)
- VM 2 with Red Cross 1918
- VM 1 with Red Cross 1939
- Breast Star
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10 minutes ago, christerd said:
And you seems to have a crush on 1st Clas medal w Red Cross ?
Yes. 1939 all of them.
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A new miniature chain to a Finnish non fighter
in Northern European & Baltic States
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At least, as far as I know, Professor Arvi Kivimaa has received all the medals in the picture.
WIKIPEDIA
He received the Cross of Liberty (4 th class, Winter War) for civil merits on June 21, 1941.
He was entitled to wear the clasp "KOTIJOUKOT" on his commemorative medal. It is not uncommon for a clasp to be missing. I'm not sure about the other commemorative medal, but he very likely received that as well.
It's hard to say without more detailed research if it's him...