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There's still some of the green paint left near the back of the helmet, down near the rim.

A few shots of the helmet post-stripping:

Will post some pictures later tonight, or early tomorrow... The green and black came right off, revealing a nice light feldgrau on about 25%-30% of the exterior surface area. (The jelly only took off the green and the black paint.) Definate improvement.

--Chris

Chris,

Normal (jelly type) paint remover should take that off and so long as you don't leave it on there too long it shouldn't attack the original paint.

I believe the original paint job was baked on making it tough to remove but don't quote me on that.

Tony

The new stuff was definately brushed on... I'll give it a shot.

Thanks,

--Chris

From the pictures you show, I'd say you have a very bad paint job on an otherwise interesting shell.

If you manage to remove the green and black splurge without completely eliminating what finish there might be beneath it, you should have a nice item to gather dust on the top of a bookshelf (which is what my helmets do).

That's what I was afraid of, but what I was expecting. Any ideas how best to remove the paint?

Thanks,

--Chris

These are probably about the best shots I can get with the cruddy little flash on my digital camera. I'll try to get some better ones once the sun comes back up again and I can get natural light to work with.

Anyhow, what does the collective wisdom of the group think of the paint job? Did I end up with something relatively rare, or a bad paint job on a good shell?

Another view:

I was able to pick this up for a price that was low enough that it was worthwhile even if the paintjob turns out to be post-war.

Does anyone out there know anything about this decoration, especially whether or not it was a female-only medal?

I've always seen it referred to as a Saxon fashion statement.

Now that I think about it, I seem to remember there was a photo that Stogierick had of a TURK with one, so there probably is nothing definate...

...also, any thoughts as to whether or not anything could be read from the presence of the usually-Saxon EK device?

Yes, it is the life saving medal ribbon bar. this bar was attributed to Hannes TRAUTLOFT

Not only is it attributed, it looks like you've got the same bar that he was wearing in the photograph. Doesn't get much better than that. The fact that you've got the bar of a RK-winner, general, and fighter ace is just icing on the cake.

--Chris

Nothing very special, just yer basic Legion Condor bar:

Nevertheless, it's quite nice. I still haven't been able to get my hands on one of my own.

--Chris

Haynau.... interesting wound medal ribbon with no stripes....... I have not seen this example before???

While this ribbon site has issues, they list apparently list this decoration:

http://www.medals.lava.pl/at/at1.htm

I would like to add one more example to the discussion for comment on grade of award and devices.

What you've got is a Weimar-era veteran's decoration that looks striking like the ribbon of the Princely Hohenzollern. If I remember correctly, the medal itself looks a LOT like a HHOX.

From left to right:

1. 1914 EK

2. Prussian Kriegserinnerungskreuz - 2nd Class

3. Kyffhaeuserbund

4. Prussian Sanitaetskreuz - 2nd Class

5. Austrian Ehrenlegion

6. Hungarian WWI Commemorative

He'd only have #1 and #6 that he could still wear after the introduction of the Hindenburg Cross.

--Chris

Very nice! What is the last ribbon on that bar?

Paul

It's the non combatant version of the Bulgarian WWI commemorative.

Hi Chris,

Very nice ribbon bar. Just an info, the X and crown are in silver or not ? If it is in silver it is the first time I see such cross in silver. Usually we find these device in gold.

Regards

Christophe

There's a very minute chance that it was intended to be gold. The device itself is made of silver, and there is what appears to be the faintest hint of gold coloration in that bit of metal between the crown and the swords. I'm almost positive that's patina however, as there's none of that color present anywhere else on the device. There's a lot of wear on the bar, but I would expect to see some remnant of that color on the sides of the device.

--Chris

If we're all going to be whippin' 'em out, I can't very well leave this one neglected in the bug box:

I think with only these 3 awards, it would be stretch to pin him down since most WW1 awards are invisible until the 1920's. If he survived that far, maybe but he would probably have additional awards. A shame to have missed the loose pieces... I would have been curious to see if they were "bargains"!

The sheer rarity of that grade of the Hohenzollern decoration was what gave me the most hope. I was able to convince the dealer to knock down his original "sticker price" on the bar (from $65 to $50), although it was the EK device of all things that caused him to put the price on it that he did. It was labeled as a "WWI Knight's Cross Ribbon Bar". I probably shouldn't have expected more, as the dealer referred to the crown & swords device as an "oak leaf cluster".

--Chris

Found this photo while perusing old auction catalogs. Any ideas as to how the English jubilee medal would have ended up there?

Thanks Dave! I had seen the reference to the 3rd class with crown and swords on your website this afternoon, but didn't want to get overly optimistic that it was something that uncommon.

I'm still in mourning after hearing the antique dealer mention that he recently sold the trio of [loose] medals that came along this this ribbon bar. Hearing him refer to the crown & swords device as an "oak leaf cluster" makes me wonder just how those medals were priced.

Does this look like the sort of combination that might be identifiable? (One can hope.)

--Chris

Not the best pics, but the best I could do before my camera batteries went completely flat...

Found a ribbon bar with a ribbon that looks like the Princely Hohenzollern House Order (white with three black stripes), but has a silver crown and swords device. Anyone recognize which decoration that's supposed to represent?

Thanks,

--Chris

Might have been a cheap person's way to cram an extra ribbon on a bar that was originally designed to have one fewer ribbons on it.

--Chris