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This is the only one that I have a photo of handy (I'm in the midst of a Windows reinstall on the machine that has all of my photos). My other Wurttemburg bar is an EK / Bravery Medal / Hindenburg Cross / Turkish War Medal combo - my very first ribbon bar, in fact.

That ribbon looks like "Baden" to me.

I?ve seen a Waffenring- cross just short time ago on a medal bar wiht a plain green ribbon.

Best regards

Daniel

Frankly, I've only seen that one on a ribbon. It may or may not be the correct ribbon.

--Chris

ignorant (there are no Arcane Scholar Criminals-- those who master Field X love it too much to betray it)

Besides, as we all know, all the intelligent criminals go into politics...

--Chris

I'm afraid I don't really know all that much about this decoration, but I did find this photograph in my archives that at least shows the ribbon:

Yup and I'm surprised to see that helmet in 1918-- thought it was WW2 vintage.

Looks like they came up with the best helmet design of the 20th century while everybody else was still making it up as they went along.

I can't seem to find the photo that I used to have that showed this helmet in circulation around 1919, but it's referred to as the m1918/40.

--Chris

OK, I'll make it easy, these 3 together make you say.............

It's far less tacky to just wear a second row of ribbons than it is to weld two ribbon bars together?

OK, apart from the very obvious reasons this bar is so absofreakin'lutely insanely into the rarebeyondmybecapicitytothink realm.........

WHY is it such a STUNNING discovery!!

Doesn't this hail from the era of trapezoid medal bars?

My absolute favorite is a ribbon bar worn by a WW2 admiral in Norway and now in Simon Orchard's collection wearing one of these BANNED 1920s pieces: and it shows in his wartime photos. It was sooooo obscure, he must have figured everyone thought it was something "exotically foreign."

I would never have BELIEVED it, but we have period photographic evidence of that particular regulations abuser WEARING the thing.

Do you have the photo handy?

These don't show up every day.

Chris, I think it would be fun bar to own just for the chaos of the period. Now you need a photo of someone with a wheelbarrow full of DM on the way to the bakery for a loaf of bread. That's Weimar Republic.

My personal favorite is the image of the guy wallpapering his house with 100 Mark notes.

I've got a few of those 1000 Mark notes that have the 1,000,000 Mark overstamp. Very telling relic of the period.

--Chris

Has anyone considered voodoo?

How did Stogieman describe it---"anything goes!"

Tis true... Perhaps I was trying too hard to bring order out of the chaos, even if it was a warped and twisted sense of order.

...any clue what the decoration in first place is?

Hi Chris,

IF the second ribbon is supposed to represent the Finnish CoL2, that would be a 1941 (combatant) version, 1918 had red stripes on yellow. Maybe it's something else?

Pete

The Hessian Red Cross decoration is the only other thing that comes to mind, but perhaps someone else out there is seeing something that I've missed.

--Chris

It's odd, but I can almost see the logic in this bar. (Perhaps I shouldn't admit that in public.) Finding out what #1 is might blow my idea to smithereens, but there does seem to be a reasonable precedence if the nationalities of the awards are completely ignored.

1. ????

2. Finland Cross of Liberty 2nd Class

3. DSWA

4. Dutch Order of Oranje-Nassau

5. Finland War of Independence Commemorative

6. Prussian War Merit Cross

7. Lippe-Detmold KVK2 for combatants

Item by item, I am slowly working on taking over Stogierick's collection.

Anyhow, this odd duck is soon to be taking it's place in my collection. I know it had been discussed on another forum, in a galaxy far far away. That thread has since vanished, along with the attempts to make sense of the Weimar-era chaos of it. Anyhow, I'd like to repost this bar in the greener pastures of this forum for another go around.

--Chris

Perhaps I would feel differently if I actually had a chance to fondle a ZL firsthand, but for the time being, this is my favorite design. (Pic borrowed from Dave's website.) There's something so delightfully heraldric about it.

Looks OK to me. An enlisted man's/NCO's patch for the Kaiserslautern SS Standarte c.1933-4.

Thanks again!

Nothing glows on a blacklight, and this one certainly has what appears to be a very natural "patina" to it. Nevertheless, this is enough out of my area of specialization that I thought I'd float it past the collective wisdom of the group.

--Chris

Any thoughts on this one?

Actually, the few TRUE historians I know are very interested in the commercial development of their ideas--whether through publishing, consulting, and so on--so they can feed their families...

I never meant to imply that that historians should be part of some reclusive monastic order. I wasn't talking about the intellectual "products" of historians, not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm all for historians being able to make money from their intellectual products. Heck, I wish I could.

What I was referring to was the objects... A historian is going to look at one of these objects, and the historial significance will be where he or she places the greatest value. An investor looks at one of these objects and views the item as a ingot of gold, a savings bond, or a beanie baby. To the investor, the historical significance matters most as a sort of marketing tool that will someday leverage them a better return.

--Chris

Rick - spoken like a true historian.

PS: C'mon Chris, this is no time to be coy......... explain your obsession with blue ribbons with white edges again!

The clinical term is obsessive compulsive disorder.

Unfortunately, that's the only picture that I have. The bar isn't actually mine, just one that I stumbled across on sale somewhere. Trying to keep track of the oddball Bavarian stuff as it surfaces for reference.

--Chris

Do we know whether or not Rittmeister von Ehrenkrook was present for the liberation of Helsinki in 1918?

--Chris

Finally got the bar in hand... The swords on the White Falcon are silver. Granted they're a little bit on the yellowish side of silver, but compared to how downright yellow the swords on the Albrechtorden and the Hindenburg Cross are - I'm convinced that it's supposed to be a Knight 2nd Class. (How many of the SWF-R2 were there? I only retained the number of the SWF-R1 in my head.)

The bar with the Helsinki ribbon might indeed be a close relative. :-)

Edit: Attached a better pic.