Jacques

Another with the spanish cross in bronze and the "cruz blanca"

This NCO was aarded the spanish cross in bronze with swords and the "Cruz blanca"

This officer was awarded the spanish cross in silver and the "Cruz blanca"

Hauf was awarded the "Cruz blanca" (not seen here, but I know the document) and the spanish cross in silver.

Hi,

This topic is to try to find a logic answer to Spectre's question concerning the "Cruz blanca" and spanish cross awarding relation.

Schibau was awarded the cruz blanca and the spanish cross in gold

A DK and Spanish cross recipient. the picture is swall and a bit blury.

IMHO, Bender's theory about correspondence between German awards and Spanish awards is WRONG.

These are the figures I have (Source: "La Ayuda Alemana a Espa?a 1936-1939". R. Hidalgo Salazar. Editorial San Martin. Madrid, 1975. ISBN 84-7140-103-7. Pages 225-226.):

Spanish Military Merit Order medals (WHITE) awarded to LC members:

Gran Cruz (Great Cross): 3

Cruz de 3? clase (3rd class cross): 5

Cruz de 2? clase (2nd class cross): 42

Cruz de 1? clase (2nd class cross): 1234

Other Spanish decorations awarded to LC members:

Medalla Militar Individual (Military Medal, individual): 60

Cruz de Guerra (War Cross): 986

Cruz Roja del M?rito Militar (Military Merit Red Cross): 5600

Medalla de la Campa?a (Campaign Medal): 14982

Medalla de Sufrimientos por la Patria (Medal for Sufferings for the Country - Wound Medal): 206

Unfortunately, those figures are incomplete: There are more than 60 recipients of the Military Medal, and I think most of those 14982 recipients of the Campaign medal received another medal too.

Best regards

Hi Panzerpionier

I updated your "medalla militar" list and have around 92 names.

Do you know a list of the recipients for the "sufrimientos por la patria" medal?

jacques

Hi,

This cufftitlte was a tradition badge and not an award. this soldier probably didn't take part to the Spanish war, and was enlisted to the Pz.Lehr .Rgt which was entitled to wear this cufftitle. For that reason, it is really interesting to see this cufftilte mentionned on the death card.

Jacques

Some great pictures you have Jacques. I have a question about your latest one with the NCO wearing the medal bar. It looks like the white (non-combatant) military service cross on the bar but the Spanish Cross sure looks like it has swords.

I would have thought with the white service cross he would have had the silver cross without swords, am I right or wrong??

Thanks, Alan

Hi

I already observed that on others pictures. It seems that there is no relation between white cross and spanish cross w/o sword attribution. I don't know pictures showing white cross with spanish cross w/o swords.

I've at the moment no logical explaination.

jacques

Hi Spectre,

Fine looking text book Meybauer.

No sacrilege for me, but other collectors will do think it is. It depends on if you get the cross within a group or alone.

The best way is to buy only mint items

No, they are not mine, but all are originals.

The size of the tank within the silver stripes is a first good indicator, then the form of the tank itself, to cite only twoo points.

If these photos and these short explainations could help you to avoid the booby-trap, I should have win my day.

jacques

Jacques,

I keep looking at the sword grips and I am wondering what is wrong with them?

Doc

Look on the reverse. On the copies, it seems there is a little round part at the top, which is not on the originals.

The eagles swastica have 3 cut branches on the copies, only 2 on the originals.

Another copy, the last one.

reverse

Another COPY

reverse

another COPY

reverse of the gold cross previously presented (COPY)

Jacques,

I think I see copy's error with the eagle's claw grasping the swatika

Doc

The form of the swords grips is wrong too.

I shown two different crosses which are IMO copies. There are MM CEJ 900 , but the CEJ mark is wrong, the eagles are not of the design as the original Juncker, thus the clutched swasticas. The cross presented at the top of the thread shows the same eagles details and swasticas, with no mark. Ithink it is a very dangerous fake. I will try to find other pictures of the same type of cross with other MM.

No other opinions ?

Not original.

They must look like these ones

got it today

copy details