Jacques

unknown in black uniform. This soldier is also pictured in Bender's book in Spain with the black beret.

P. Z?NDORF

Ernst BARTZ

Here is a spanish cap, but no picture to confirm it wear by LC member.

Does somebody own a LC overseas cap and would accept to share it with us ?

Here is an illustration for a private and an officer using LC particular cap, and a general using a spanish one.

Hello,

I think the owner get the cross a second time. You can see the two small plates on the arms?

Michael

Scott, the answer is there

jacques

few more cased

It could be this one presented in the " Berliner Illustrirte Zeitung" on Juni 7, 1939 (nr23)

Another one , not so highly decorated

another pic

With the group came also this named travel ticket

Hi Chris,

There was an article in the "International Militaria" magazine, I think from 2001 or so that showed several of these clasps, apparently all named to the recipients. There were supporting documents in the article as well, and I believe it was written by Manfred Dorr.

These are pretty well accepted nowadays, but I know of many older collectors that share your view. Is there any evidence that these are post war production? In viewing many pictures, they appear to share the same obverse die as typical zinc Juncker clasps.

Tom D.

I know all these articles and also that some collectors though or still think that these badges are a pure imagination. As I said, I don't own one, because of thier cost, but also their scarcity.

What I can say is that I had the opportunity to hand some within high end collection but also in smaller but quality one, thus on shows. When you get it in hand, you can't say it is a copy. the badge is so well done, in "buntmetall", the gilding is so beautiful, there is absolutly no flaw, nothing to ring the bell of the doubt.

Many years ago, when no information about them were in my hand, I got one. it was a crap, well made for this time. these craps still are on the market, and more dangerous were done since but they have nothing to do with an original.

here is the crap I bought at this time.

jacques

Hi,

Fine ! Do you own the full group ?

Well gents it looks like there are several real nice crosses out there and even some nice variation like the one jacques has posted. I would assume that larger points are from a different maker? We have now seen several nice examples and I would like to thank you all for sharing yours and your comments. While surfing eBay last evening I found a very nice Cased Spanish Order similar to the crosses show here. I am not sure of the era; however, I am certain it is a very nice example, even the pin is engraved! if you would like to have a look try the link below. Again thank you all.

eBay Order

Very nice cross indeed, but not for LC members.

jacques

A well decorated officer

another helmeted

Here is mine for comparison. on this one the star branches are more pointed.

Jacques, thank you for the information on the crosses. I do have a couple questions, are they considered WW II aka pre 1945? A cross for someone persioned, do you mean like a retired administrator? Finally please point out where the cross is broken, I may have missed something. Can you tell me where the crown is broken, because it may be a reflection, there are not chips, nicks or cracks to the enamel. Thanks in advance.

Now that I look at the photo of the Silver Grade I can see the swords! So I could have missed something on the crown of the Gold Grade.

Sorry for the red cross. it is not broken, just I didn't saw the crown which is very small. the "cruz de guerra", as I said is war period but also post war (Franco period). It could have been awarded to members of the Azul Div.

Concerning the word of "Pension" for the red cross, may be Panzerpionnier will give further explanation. But sure , it has been not awarded to german LC members, but to an high ranking spanish officer.

jacques

The second cross "cruz de guerra" is IMO post 1939 and attributed to the members of the Spanish Blue Division.

The first one was not awarded to the LC members. your cross with the white stripes was for the "pensioned". It seems that the crown is broken. The crosses with white stripes were never awarded to german LC members.

Anyway, it is fine crosses

jacques

FELGENHAUER

Hi,

I think that the LC members received the Spanish decorations in 1939 even though some documents are dated 1938.

This cross is IMO later to the LC, may be for the Azul Div members.

jacques

a group

this one is wearing the cross upside down

Here is one of my favourite

a young former LC member with helmet