Jacques

Here are marching for the Berlin parade Oberst PLOCHER and OTL Torsten CHRIST

On this photo, I guess Major Hertzer is photographed on left. He was commanding the Gruppe Wolm (Signals) of the Imker Gruppe. Note that he is wearing the "Medalla Militar" but also the special badge of this unit on his laft arm.

The picture was surely taken on June 3rd 1939 in D?beritz, just after the awards ceremony leaded by von Thoma and von Brauchitsch.

Is that be the Westwall ribbon between the EKII and the Long Service ribbons?

Scott

No Scott, it is the Rettungsmedaille.

Thanks for the add James. Exactly the same ribbons bar.

Jacques, what is the maker mark on the right side of the reverse?

Thanks.

Scott

"A.M." on left and "INDUSTRIAS EGA?AS" on right

Thanks Jacques. Slanted "G" type. Appears to be the standard for originals.

the related document for DARRELL

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Memellandes medal

He enlisted the Army in 1931, Oberleutnant in 1941 and ended the war as Hauptmann. He was instructor after 1941, I guess it is why he didn't get the DK.

I'll take better pics tomorrow with day light.

here is the document for the Yugo medal.

here is his spanish cross in gold. It is a Juncker manufacture marked "900". He wrote with a charcoal pencil under the hinge.

What medal is this one? Appears to be the same type as the flower war ones

DARREL : you're right, there is something wrong with the medals bar evnen though it comes directly out of the family. the second spanish medal ribbon is the same as for the medalla de la campana, but suspends a Oct 38 medal , and there is no entry of the Austria annexion medal within the Wehrpass.

RICK: the yugo gold medaille document is dated 4 july 1938, and the official german document is dated 4 nov 1938. The pilot badge attribution is entered within the wehrpass on May 28, 1938

I have all the documents, except the Ehrenpokal with was awarded on oct 6, 1940.

jacques

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Ramos liste isn't complete; I found several more names.

Here are few pics of a new "Medalla militar"

A nice nearly complete grouping from a former Legion Condor member.

Badges, decorations, related documents, few pictures .

He also wears the miniatur of the LC Staff badge

here is a picture showing which looks like to be the kind of badge worn on a civil dress.

Hi ,

I got this today . Is it a miniature of the spanish pilot badge destinated to be worn on the civil dress ?

the comet pin is the tradition badge of the 1./K88

jacques

Very nice job, and thanks!

I must say that I appear, so far, to be in the minority here (which I fully accept without

difficulty). I invite everyone, however, to take more looks at this, including at Scott's good work, and look closely at the head of the eagle, then follow it back down the curve of the tail. The head of the eagle, on standard crosses, does not match the head size of the one in Jacques' photos, nor does the curve flow back from the head, into the "shoulder" area and down to the end of the tail as on the cross in those photos. If you can picture in your mind the eagle on the "droop-tail" crosses we have all seen in the past (and considered bad) and then compare that image to what we are seeing here, I believe you will begin to wonder if this isn't that same style eagle or at least an eagle that is MUCH more in line with a "droop-tail" than a "standard tail". I'm sure, as Jacques says, that there are manufacturer's variations which deviate a bit from the standard eagle, but I am still convinced that what is shown in Jacques' photos is not "explainable" that way.

Oh, for a crystal clear close-up wartime photo which no one could doubt....... Keep digging, Jacques!

Hi checked around 400+ period pictures showing portraits with spanish cross worn from all branches (LW, Heer , KM) and didn't find one, enough clear, that can undoubtly proove the drop tail eagle as a period manufacture.

I keep digging, but I'll soon find water...

jacques

Were there any other Spanish awards for German participants that would automaticly merit the award of a specific grade of the Spanish Cross?

There is to my knowledge no written rule. I just observed on period pictures and individual documents that The Medalla militar was followed by gold cross, the "Cruz de guerra" by gold and silver cross. red military cross by silver cross, white military cross by silver and bronze cross.

This is a very interesting thread of which I would like to ask a question: Since a German recipient of this award would have received the Spanish Cros in gold, would the reverse be true as well? In other words, would every German recipient of the Spanish Cross in gold be awarded the Militar Medal too?

Hi,

No, around 100 Medalla Militar were awarded to german soldiers, and around 1100 spanish crosses in gold were awarded.

jacques

Some manufacturers have eagles with a not so spreaded tail.

this cross is original , and the eagle tail could easily ,on a blurry picture, make the confusion.

Thank you, Jacques, for taking the trouble to make these enlargements!

I must still politely disagree with you at this point. I see no sign whatsoever of any outward curve to the tails, instead only a solid downward curve (very much like the end of the embroidery on an army general's collar tab).

Whatever the end result, period photographs are our best source of information, and you have certainly shared a lot of good ones!

I don't think that we can assert on the base of these blurry pictures, that crosses with drop tail eagles are period made.

I don't think these crosses original because until know, I never saw one with good reputable original pin/hook/hinge. Nevertheless, I'm ready to change my opinion if I can see a period picture showing clearly such cross (not these two pics) and if I see a cross with a good pin/hinge and no re-soldered eagles. Honestly, I never scrutinized my pics to find such details, but I will do. It should be a revolutional discovery, at least for me !

jacques

Here is the paper attesting of the decorations awarded in Spain