AndyGPR

So, you really are just starting out then my friend. It's going to be a long and winding road and you may encounter a few pot-holes along the way; empty wallet syndrome is highly possible, enjoyment is a certainty

As I'm sure you'll know from your time spent collecting German militaria Jim, knowledge is everything. Being up-to-speed regarding current market values is a must. Save lots of pics to a folder on your PC, having plenty that show the good, the bad, and the ugly has served me well over the years. Visit some of the more well-known websites of those who specialise in reproduction items, just to get a feel for what is being reproduced these days.... remember, to save a few pics of what you find.

First pattern Denisons; there's often at least one for sale somewhere. Quite a few will have the full-length zip conversion; not sure if that's something that bothers you or not. The airborne helmets with leather chin straps are a wise choice; they're considered a better investment. Something like a 1943 dated G&S helmet would be cheaper and easier to find than one with a fibre-rim. Maroon berets; naturally, the earlier the date the more desirable and expensive they become. You should be able to pick-up a '44 dated one wthout too much difficulty though.

Many Brit Airborne collectors have a fixation with 1944, a bit like RAF collectors have with 1940 (BoB year). This obviously stems from the famous Airborne Ops that took place that year; do remember though, the largest Airborne Op of WWII ('Varsity') took place in '45.

Best of luck.

Andy.

Just now, Jerry B said:

A shame there is no date letter under the WD arrow marks.

I don't suppose the old water spray test would work on leather?, it can work wonders when it comes to revealing worn dates on cotton beret liners. Just a thought

Just now, Jerry B said:

Just now, Trooper_D said:

Fascinating! This is the first time I have seen the inside of a bearskin, Alli, thanks for posting it. What kind of lining should it have?

 

Here's a photo of one :-

Welcome in fella, good to see another Airborne collector here.

Wish I could help you in your quest to build-up your collection but my spares situation isn't what it used to be.

Have you got a wants-list?.

ATB,

Andy.

Looks like edits to posts can only be made in a limited time-frame here?. I was going to change the diagram on my first post but will add the amended version to a new post instead.

Anyway, thanks to Dan for the heads-up on the 1st Canadian Para Bn loop; if anyone knows if the 12th Devons wore these and what colour they used, please chime in and I'll add that one too.

Dan, I'm not sure what book the original diagram was featured in; it was sent to me a long time ago, I thought it might be a handy thing to have and so I saved it.

The original did indeed mention the colours; I decided to omit them however as my own drawing was just intended to be a visual guide. Also, the 8th Para Bn "blue", looks decidedly purple to my eyes!.

Good call on the Canadian coloured epaulette loop; I'll see to it that the diagram is updated. Incidently, I've just see an original example of the 12th Para Bn loop with 'Yorkshire' embroidered in black, not white as shown on the original diagram.

As for the 12th Devons, I have no idea what colour loop they wore, or if indeed they wore one at all.

Information on these is difficult to come by; I've been trying myself for years to discover the colours worn by the various GPR Squadrons. So far, I can only confirm green used by 'A' Sqn for Normandy, Arnhem and the Rhine Crossing operations. The only other colours I've seen on original uniform have been maroon and yellow. Those three colours account for just three of the seven wartime Squadrons, so it's possible not all were issued with them.

ATB,

Andy.

Just now, Jerry B said:

I should add that original kings crown examples with a slider are less common that the wartime lugged examples, though being post war are not perhaps as valuable as their uncommon status might suggest.

Wise words my friend, the very same thing applies to GPR insignia

Thanks for the confirming that Jerry.

Judging by the quality of items in CCJ's collection, I'm pretty sure that particular badge will be a good original post-45 example

Thank you gentlemen for posting such an incredible story...  just goes to show the importance of forums like this.

Not sure if I'm sticking this type of info in the right place If not, my apologies to the Moderators; please feel free to move

Another little gem hidden away in the darkest corner of my hard-drive; this drawing depicts the different coloured epaulette loops worn by 6th Airborne Div. in 1944. I've re-drawn this, rather than risk breaching copyright by uploading the original

PM sent

I thought only moths had a penchant for shoulder titles?.

I do agree about the need to attract some youngsters into collecting. Maybe if some of us got organised into local groups and visited nearby cadet detachments, that might be a start. Not sure if the same would work with schools, cadets on the other hand already have an interest.

Not a bad thing to check through rails of vintage clothes, wouldn't be the first time a wartime denison smock or nice battledress jacket has been found in such places. Talking of headgear, I struck lucky the other week and found a bargain near-mint black kangol beret on ebay; despite being clearly marked "1944", it was listed in the "militaria - date unknown" category .

What a cracking collection Rob; great to see a young chap like yourself showing such an interest in History too.

I don't have much time to read through the thread in one go so have bookmarked it for reading in stages.

Incidently, after 11 years worth of research into my Dad's service, I've only just recently discovered the fate of the two passengers he took to Arnhem in his glider. Both were serving with the King's Own Scottish Borderers and were captured at some point in the battle. So, I'll be doing a little P.O.W research myself soon.

Thanks for sharing photos of your collection with us.

Haha, I will have to PM you about the book; it's all very cloak and dagger.. mustn't alert the competition!. 

Nothing wrong with buying something that you like but that doesn't fit the collection, I could drift off into collecting RAF insignia and uniform very easily. Specialising just works better for me.

Damn shame about the Scots Guards cap but 10/10 for pup's efforts, I'm sure he/she was just trying to save you a little money

It's good to see someone who doesn't match the stereotypical collector profile - male, over 40 e.t.c. We need more people from "the other side", oh and youngsters too.

10 hours ago, 74Squadrongirl said:

Morning!

I collect particularly to the Fusiliers and Guards, but also pick up whatever takes my fancy. I need to stop buying RRF TRF and bog standard badges, whenever I see one I just buy it on autopilot. I don't even know how many I have now. It's stupid! 

Greetings and salutations!

That's the best militaria-buying excuse I've heard in ages, "sorry Mr Bank Manager, but I was on auto-pilot at the time" . I tend use that old chestnut, "my dog hit the buy-it-now button, honest", no-one ever believes me though... wonder if it has anything to do with me not having a dog?.

To focus, or not to focus, that is the question. I've tried both approaches to militaria collecting. As a youngster, I'd buy whatever I could and was able to build-up a collection very quickly (and for not a lot of money). Apart from the odd star item though, it was just a load of old junk, with no real value or direction.

Fast forward 35 years to the more specialised collection I have now, and I can honestly say that I find collecting much more rewarding. It can be expensive at times and items can take months, even years to find, but it is a real buzz when I'm able to add something to the collection that I don't have.

Personally, I would stick to your Guards and Fusiliers interest; maybe restrict yourself even further by only collecting stuff from a particular time-frame. If you enjoy picking stuff up on your travels, then you can still do that; but then sell those items on as a way of funding your main interest. Sound like a plan?.

10 hours ago, 74Squadrongirl said:

PS I won't tell your lurking on BBF! I don't think my identity on here has been sussed yet by anyone else that's a member on both forums, only a matter of time  not that I have a reason to not be identified, I'm not on the run or anything!......Or am I?

Regarding my lurking on the BBF, is it just me or does that term make my absence sound all very dark and seedy?. I'm just very busy with one thing and another right now. I'm trying to write a book so taking part in discussion can lead to a conflict of interests.

Ha, I sussed out who you were as soon as you mentioned being a member there; don't worry, your secret's safe with me... even if you are a fugitive

Just found this tucked away on my hard-drive, thought it might be useful for someone who collects inert ordnance; it appears to have been taken from a wartime publication so I assume no issues with copyright

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Thanks my friend, PM incoming!.

Hopefully the beret you sold was indeed a post-war one . One trick way to reveal worn markings on these is to spray a little water on the liner.

I am, shhh!... actually, just taking a break for a wee while.

Suez and Cyprus?, your Dad earns my respect.

Blimey!, I wouldn't know where to start with modern cloth stuff. I take it you collect cloth insignia to the Fusilier and Guards units you mentioned, or do you just buy whatever takes your fancy?

You're welcome

Thanks for the condolences, I extend the same to you. Your Dad was Airborne too!, great stuff; was he a wartime Para?.

Cloth insignia can be a minefield so be careful!. The guys on the BBF are a helpful bunch though, so you should be alright; I'm a member there myself but haven't posted anything for ages

Happy to help, good photos are so important when embarking on a resto' project.

Print off a couple of photos showing what the liners in these bearskins look like, call in at some saddlers in your local area and get some quotes; et voila!

Why Glider Pilot Regiment?, my dear old Dad served with them 1943-46. Started the collection shortly after he passed away in '95.

Your main interest is headgear, right?

Haha, that's ok, I can handle it  It does look better since I added some receivers (headphones) and a wiring loom.... but not much!.

I collect anything at all to do with the Glider Pilot Regiment; so a lot of specialised stuff like the helmet and insignia but also more generic items like webbing and such-like.

I do have a good friend who has a great collection of headgear; not sure if he's a member here?. Coloured field service caps are his thing, but he also has a few other hats and helmets.

Just noticed your bearskin needs a liner and a chinstrap. I've found a couple of chinstraps for sale but no liners. A saddler would probably be able to make a liner for you, very skilled folk when it comes to leatherwork.

Found some good pics over on another forum that might help; hopefully I'm ok to post this link.

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/cloth-headgear-western-allies/long-live-bearskin-cap-531791/

Here's mine... think I'd rather wear a burqa

Hmm, you have your work cut out with that bearskin; being natural fibre though, I would imagine it would take dye ok. If I come across any restoration info on my travels, I'll let you know.

You never know, maybe someone with a bit more knowledge than I have might chip-in soon. It's a lovely helmet, the Zuckerman on the other hand was obviously not designed with looks in mind Cheer up, those mega rare and expensive wartime glider pilot helmets don't look much better.

On 01/02/2016 at 10:51, willone242 said:

Im hoping to get some feedback here where and when it was used, and possibly a valuation for this object.

Best man to ask would probably be David Farnsworth of the Historic Flying Clothing Company; he's a goldmine of information

http://www.historicflyingclothing.com

His email address can be found at the top of the page

Wonder why Wiki doesn't mention a MK V when it does mention all others between MK III and 6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_III_helmet

Can't be much help with this I'm afraid, although I did own a 1950s dated helmet a long, long time ago. Seem to remember the date being stamped on the inside of the shell; as your's is well and truly covered in hessian, netting and scrim you'll probably want to leave it that way!.

Just now, ccj said:

The beret badge with slider came off an old para beret.

I'm no expert on the Parachute Regiment but have it on good authority that badges with slider fittings are post-WWII. If of course, the beret it was removed from was post-1945 dated, then I'll dig a large hole and bury myself in it immediately!.

I have a friend who has just started out collecting WWII British Airborne; he's a serving soldier himself. I mentioned you having these badges and he would like to have a chat. Would it be alright for me to send you a PM with his email address?.

The Army Flying Badge (Glider Pilot wing) in the lower left of the photo is an original example. Average ebay price for these is around £120 but the cut at the top of the lion might be an issue for some.

Good luck with selling, all the Airborne stuff looks fine to me with the exception of the Parachute Regiment. cap badge with slider. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I specialise in Glider Pilot Regiment insignia only.