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It was most likely a order of the Northern (or Pole) Star. Northern Star orders were by far the most common to foreigners, but the box was the same for the others so who can tell for sure...
/Kim
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I might as well list the germans in the 1902:
Wilhelm Ambach "överbåtsman" German navy awarded 1895
Heinrich Friedrich Christian Jonas Preussian "sergeant" aw. 1899
Frantz Matern "Fyrmästare" German navy aw. 1895
Friedrich Wöhlbier "Musikdirektör" aw. 1895
/Kim
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An NCO would never have gotten an order, by definition an officer's decoration. As Christer say it's more likley he would get the "Svärdstecknet" Royal Sign of the Sword, which was a NCO decoration. The "Statskalender" used to list those as well but stopped at some time between 1902 and 1919 (not sure what year they stoped). Foreigners were awarded this but very few got it, 1881 calender lists three recipients and 1902 - ten recipients, including some from 1881.
/Kim
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No problem Christer. Just remember that the "Statskalender" isn't a definte list of recipients. It's a list of those who were alive when the book was printed.
/Kim
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What is the source for this Christer? I'm guessing some old "Statskalender"? You know that a couple are online here:
/Kim
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No, Kim, I don't. I know they made a variety of items for Royal Ethiopia, but have no list available. Is the company still in existence, and can you ask them for us? I'm under the impression they probably made more insignia for Ethiopia than medals, and no orders that I know of.
The company still exist. But they are not that interested in answering questions. Long time ago I asked them about some other medal and got the answer that all the records were gone. That is probably just a lie to get me of their back - asking "stupid" questions. I have seen Ethiopian insignia marked Sporrong but no other medal...
Kim
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Jah Jim do you have any info on what other Ethiopian medals/ordes that Sporrong made? The one Ulsterman has posted doesn't look like my sporrong-made Korea medal. Is it marked?
/Kim
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Three is a von Bredow listed in the Swedish "statskalender" 1919 as a "Riddare av Kungl. Svärdsorden 2:s klass" (roughly knight of the Order of the sword second class). The second class knight was exclusive for foreigners and made of silver, otherwise just like the gold knight's cross. It wasn't a hit (I guess awardees wanted it in gold) and is pretty rare to find today.
/Kim
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I'm not an Middle East medal specialist. But this is for the Baath "revolution" 8 march 1963 in Syria. I don't know if it's official government issue, but I suspect it's a souvenir type fob.
/Kim
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It's probably for helping some Swedish citizen or Swedish interest. The order was officially a long service award for Swedish officers, and bravery award in times of war (in our case Napoleonic days). But could be awarded to helpful foreign military personal. If I remember correctly explorer Sven Hedin handed out some orders to Germans when he was touring the eastern front. I'm sure other groups of front-line tourists needed help too.
/Kim
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No, problem Odulf. I help when I can.
Yes, Prince Bernhard got the medal, one of only three Dutch. I don't have the exact date for the royal letter that aproved the medal, but the year is 1956.
/Kim
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Here is another Swedish group, without Swedish awards... It was sold in smaller lots with medals and ribbon bars separated. I got most of the stuff but missed out on a Swordmedal (a long service medal for lower ranks). So this is a Swede that was in Korea and later in Gaza with UNEF. The UN medal was lost at some time but its box is still keeping the other stuff together.
/Kim
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It's easier to find Chinese people in Sweden than Chinese awards. Statistics say about 20 000 chinese in Sweden. Chinese awards I have seen I can count on one hand...
/Kim
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Once again big thank you Cussonneau!
/Kim
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Thanks for the input gentlemen. Sorry, but this is the only pic I have. It's from an auction house catalog and also listed as unknown, possibly Chinese.
/Kim
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Thank you for the information Veteran. Medal collecting is a strange business. Many rare Swedish medals are also not appreciated enough. One medal I have done some research on, no books written on the subject, have less than 40 examples awarded. This medal was like the Mount Everest in collecting for me. I never thought I would find one. But one day it showed up on-line..... for 30 euro. Now to find the K2 in collecting....
Very interesting info Cussonneau. Maybe the other medals were given out to be awarded by Swedish hands to those who was considered worthy? Those listed were already at the court so finding them was easy.
When I have worked on Swedish award lists I have often noticed the Legion of honour and other French awards. When I checked the lists with foreigners awarded order of the Sword the French are often found. Trading awards was the order of the day.
/Kim
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No problem Odulf. I'm also late in thanking Cussonneau for the color pic of the medal and other info. Thanks a lot! Is this medal hard to find?
/Kim
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I could translate all the text... But further research showed that it's all ready done. I guess the international interest in the question made this happen. Missed that when I first looked for the subject.
http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c4/18/19/317efa73.pdf
/Kim
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Yes, this was big news in 1997.... Here's a link to what the government's investigation concluded in 1999:
http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c4/18/18/950400da.pdf
Sorry, only in Swedish.
/Kim
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Thanks for the link, a good start!
No problem! There used to be very good Russian site specialized on these. But now it seems to have vanished, the guy called himself sniperRKKA.
/Kim
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German officers with Swedish Order of the Sword
in Germany: Imperial: Rick (Research) Lundstrom Forum for Documentation and Photographs
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As Christer is using the Statskalender for his project I belive I can answer some of your questions. Christer lists Germans. But any other nationality could of course be listed IF they got an order before 1940. After this year the Statskalender only list orders to Swedes.
I don't have any reference to books with the info you're looking for Herman. Much of that are only in archives. If you want info on a single person you could try the Royal court, they have all the records there.
/Kim