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Hi Nick
The 4th class is being offered at Galerie Auction.
Appreciate if you have any thoughts on it. After viewing post 58 I'm not sure about anything.
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The most terrible thing Lars, is that some of them take active part in manufacturing of these peices.
It`s like vertically integrated corporation
That would be collusion.
:violent: That could explain why the fakes are so bloody good............0 -
Hi Lars,
these particular examples are modern fakes.
One on post #132 was offered for sal by one (quite famous) dealer about five or four years ago.
Now that`s where fun begins!
Piece in post #131 were brought to the (notorious) expert from State Historical Museum and he ...
said it`s 100% ok original piece
This is all very disturbing that a few bad actors that are well positioned in the community would allow such pieces go through their hands and not say anything. Perhaps it could be conceivable that the fakes are so high grade that even they are missing it. After giving it a bit of thought there really are no options to stop the forgers unless the market crashes, gold goes to 10,000 an ounce. Until some serious measures are taken we should only expect continuation of quality fakes to flood the
market as long as the prices support it and the demand is there. Glade my books are safe from this plague................
dollars an ounce or harsh prison time.
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Scarce but they do turn up and as they do not contain precious metal or stones much more scope for the faker.
Paul
The silver-gilt ones I avoid like the plague. I think the silver-gilt examples are duplicates for the owner & the vast majority are post war copies for the collectors market. All the official ones should be in gold even the ones handed out in WWl. What baffles me are the unmarked gold ones. Perhaps in your job you come into contact with a good many over the years and it would be easy to sort them out or not necessarily the case.
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One thing is for certain - he is good with his hands
And he's not even Russian
Maybe same crew
are doing the A-H awards. Marked & unmarked Saint Stephens are croping up too. This order is much to scarce to see so many in such a short amount of time.0 -
They even sacrificed one "stone" for the sake of authenticity
This reminds me of the James Bond movie with Roger Moore who switched the Faberge egg @ auction. Unlike the movie we never do learn who is behind this deception.
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What triped me is the two different colors of gold being used. They were big using pink/rose color gold and yellow to contrast, which is what this artist did. He did his homework
. The 18th century style Saint Anne cross with the 19th century center is odd 
to say the least but the museum copy is brilliant . 0 -
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This is not the first (and certainly not the last) fake ...
Even Thies can't tell
& he is knowledgeable well with the German States to be certain.0 -
Piece in post #112 is in bronze
Piece in post #112 is in bronze
In regards to the life saving medal ( post 108 top right )Thies has two in his upcoming auction in September.
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I remember way back another collector telling me that the forgers were taking perfectly good gold Oak Crown breast badges and turning them into Saint George's. At first I thought he was joking, than realized he was dead serious having not seen gold Oak Crowns of late. They use to be cheap and plentiful. To destroy a perfectly good order is disgusting
if only there was a way to stop this practice.0 -
OK so much for my theory
There must be a whole artist colony hard at work as we write. Hate to think what I might have.. 
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They certainly are
Any idea if they are solid silver ? & if so could be cast copies.
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Are you telling me they are all
fake? The upper right does look questionable but the others look smashing.0 -
Actually this is his second (third?) attempt
If he was not asking the moon, it would have been long out of his hands. Let us hope he continues to use ebay
I think this cross is a one of a kind ( painted center ) and not mass produced which is unfortunate.0 -
Piece from posts #73-75 is currently for sale at eBay
only $8,000
The auction firms don't want to be a dumping ground if they can help it so ebay is the default button. I just hope ebay has a easy return policy for the buyer but I'm not so sure if he or she would ever discover - not even weights and measurements could apply to this high end quality piece.
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Hi Nick
Post 34 is awesome in seeing examples of swords above the cross
( example 14 & 15 ) viewing genuine badges is a real privilege. The Russians must have copied this award system from the German States that had this practice in place. Basically they were allowed to add swords above if they were a holder of a lower grade with swords ( through cross ). I assume this is the reason for the Russians doing it. I have never come across a Russian badge with swords above which makes me believe they were awarded for a very short period of time. Thank you for those clear fotos and the detailed rules on the wearing of the ribbon with bow. Sincerely
Brian
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P.S.
If you were talking about officer in post # 3, then he indeed has long-service Vladimir.
For 25 years with the bow.
(crosses with inscription 35 years were issued only to civilians)
Post three it was. Had no idea that only civilaians received the 35 year inscription. I recall the early ones for military should have a bow on the ribbon since the swords did not exist before the Crimea War. What is interesting even with the swords, one does come across the bow attached to the ribbon.
Sincerely
Brian
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Hi Brian,
as far as I know this admiral was awarded with order of St.. Vladimir in 4th Class with swords and bow, 3rd and 2nd classes.
No 35 (or 25) years for him
Yes.
Before revolution
Летъ
After
Лет
Three letter versions are indeed exist, but they belong to the 1850s-1860s period of time.
Old slavian letter ѣ used in these.
Inscription looks like
Лѣт
Best,
Nick
Hi Nick
Many kind thanks for explaining that. Rarely as one does come across the inscription Vladimirs it is no shock to see turn of the century examples displaying three letters across the arm. Now I know only mid 19th century examples that are properly marked and bare that old cyrillic letter should be good
. This info that you provided is great for the collecting community, just hope the forgers don't view this thread. Sincerely
Brian
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Hi Nick
That is an awesome Russo-Turkish WAR bar with the Danube Crossing and of course the others too. I'd like to ask a question about this bar in regards to the St.Vladimir that for sure has the 25 or 35 year service inscription on the arms. The first to have seen one on any bar
. As I was told prior to the Russian Revolution the year was spelled out in 4 letters and after 1917 the year was written in 3 letters. I have seen several examples over the years being spelled in both ways. Safe to say that good examples should only be 4 letters and three letter examples should be suspect. Perhaps the forgers now know this and corrected their mistake and are making the year of service with a 4 letter inscription. ThanksSincerely
Brian
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Feel fairly sure it is after using 10X loop. See your diagnosis was spot on
. You have got to be a curator for the Kremin oppps Kremlin........
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If it is indeed 1850 then
was quite accurate diagnosis!
Feel fairly sure it is after using 10X loop. See your diagnosis was spot on
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Thanks Nick for all your kind help
You're not in Kansas any more! or Modern Imperial Russia Fakes
in Russia: Imperial
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The black enamel trim that border sections of the circle and the beginning of the four arms of the cross is not even at all.