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Hi Nick
In IMG 170 the gold wire that looks to be a profile of an amimal of some sort. Unfortunately could not get it clear probably the wire being so narrow. I hope the other images work will work.
Sincerely
Brian
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Brian, will it be possible for you to make a nice clear close-ups of obverse and revers?
Frankly, by these pictures it is hard to be certain in this or that attribution.
Regards,
Nick
Hi Nick
Will try to get larger detailed scans for you. First time to have seen one marked "KK" , so they do exist.
Many thanks for showing.
Sincerely
Brian
Brian
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Not true, you see IP on the reverse enamel of Imanuel Pannasch pieces from the 1830s.
Paul
Hi Paul
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, never even thought to come across one of these. I think of them as the Faberge of Russian Orders, maybe those too come down to earth from their lofty prices.
Sincerely
Brian
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Hi Gentlemen
Thank you Nick for showing a properly marked & dated Keibel & Kammerer LS Decoration.
That is a really nice example
. Thanks Paul for providing the names of the heirs who continued the family business. Am I correct to think that all Saint Anne pieces made by Keibel & Kammerer did not put their initial on the lower reverse arm? The idea of starting the initials on the lower reverse began with Wilhelm after he was sole owner of the firm with the initial WK, his son Julius IK and grandson Albert AK or am I wrong? Did not see any date, is it possible that it could be on the gold wire ribbon ring. The ribbon itself is fairly tight to the ring and thought better not to pull in fear of tearing due to the age.Sincerely
Brian
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Never knew the women had served in a combat role in the 1st World War. These fotos are awesome and to see so many women wearing the Saint George Cross is incredible
. This foto of a Cossack is fantastic. I wonder what she had to do to get that decoration of honor. Thanks for sharing your collection.Sincerely
Brian
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Yes, there were reduced orders (they appeared for the first time soon after 1814 war company).
Early badges (like your) have average size 32-33 mm
Cheers,
Nick
I appreiate the info on the smaller size Saint Anne & I can assume that would apply to the other lower ranked Russian Orders. This also holds true for German States where earlier is smaller. I recall in the Hermitage there is a room called "Hall Of the Generals" who had participated in the Napoleonic Wars. Basically was floored by seeing all these decoations on each General. Some were also wearing impressive bars that would make any collector just stare. There was a special exhibit in the Guard's Museum that had the orders collection on view, unfortunately for me I had just missed it. Was told if you make an appointment a good amount of time ahead the curator would let you see the collection privately. Something to look forward to....
Sincerely
Brian
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By these photos I`d say Keibel and Kemmerer.
Somewhere around 1850
That is great news, no idea what I had. Prince Dimitri Romanov stated the average size of the Badge is 36 mm. Had thought reduced size but I do not know if that exists with Russian Orders.
Sincerely
Yankee
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Dear members
Can anybody say who the maker might be & give an estimate to what era the badge is from. There is only the city, gold content mark & barely visible eagle below the enamel The badge measures 32mm which is rather small and the arms are flat. Thank you.
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Well, "all items are sold “as is” and there will be no returns based on condition".
I wonder if "not very original" is incorporated into "condition"
I for one would not want to test their return policy with the terms you stated above.
To protect the integrity of the Auction House they should comply a full return if the buyer discovers what occured.
I'd like to believe these quality fakes passing through the Auction House have no knowledge themselves.
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Unfortunately I don`t have coordinates of "manufacturer"...
My wife tells me the Russians are good with their hands, her being Russian probably close to home.
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Piece with "unreadble marks" was sold in US for $2,000
Buyer is one lucky devil!
Hope the Auction House has a good return policy for the buyer.
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Yep.
This is quite popular add-on in our days.
At least something sometimes is authentic.
If having the choice would always
on a order with with a faded old piece of ribbon. 
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Rays
Even enamel crack for authenticity
Hello JapanX
Post 73 with old sewn ribbon & this one with the worn enamel are truely created by a genius, pity he or she couldn't put their talents to a better use. This is where the copies look better than the originals. Any idea where these are being made? Thanks for making us aware.0 -
The forgers really have a good knowledge as I recall the dark enamel badges were rarely given in a certain period of their existence. It was interesting to note the Saint Vladimir had several proper marks on ring but I don't recall a genuine one having them all lined up so clearly in a row. Thanks again.
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That looks like a really dangerous copy. Must be the same outfit who are doing the A-H awards. In Moscow saw some nice fake material neatly displayed in higher end tourist shops but nothing like the ones you have made us aware of. Thanks
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Brief Bones, Ensign by purchase 3/3/1843, Lieut. by Purchase 19/2/47, Capt W/O purchase 29/12/54, Brevet Lt. Col. 1/1/68, retired May 1872.
Hope this is of some help. An army list from around 1870 with war services should add more bones, but what a cracking al Valore, wonder where his Crimea is?
Paul
This is a lot more info than I had before, every bit is much appreciated. I too was wondering where his Crimea medal is or if he had any other campaign medals. It sure would be nice to reunite them after all these years. Thanks
Sincerely
Brian
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Hello, any member help provide info on the history of this brave man & share would be gratefully appreciated. All I have is from the Author Nathaniel Stevens book The Crimean Campaign With The Connaught Rangers 1854-55-56. He states " So numerous had been the changes in all ranks during the recent campaign, that we were almost a new regiment; out of the thirty four officers who had embarked at Liverpool in April, 1854, there were only four who now returned with the regiment, without having been absent from the duties throughout the campaign---viz., Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel E.H. Maxwell, Captain Gore, Assistant-Surgeon Williams and myself." Thanks in advance Yankee
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Yankee, what a fantastic case, I have never come across one of these before, Ouizille and Lemoine were the official jewellers to the Chancellery of the LdH during the Second Empire
Paul
Hi Paul
Was surprised to find one cased. I recall a collector telling me how the French were very proud of their LOH & would wear every day, not needing to store it away for any length of time and perhaps simply discarded the case or misplaced.
Interesting to note how the stencil design illustrates that thick bulbous rosette that was a product ( fashion ) of the 2nd Empire.
Sincerely
Brian
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Hi Veteran
I appreciate you explaining the reason why the French had not continued to award the 2nd Empire type cross in the Franco-Prussian war. I had just assumed some had been awarded during the conflict and when the 3rd Republic was declared many of the soldiers had exchanged them for the new type.
The badge that came in the case
. I think the sizes, quality & details of the 2nd Empire badges are identical among the makers so must be difficult for which conflict it had been given during Napoleon's reign. Many thanksSincerely Yankee
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Hello
My small contribution to a most informative thread. A case to an officer from the time period of the 2nd Empire. Perhaps this held the Legion of Honour from the Crimea period. The inside lid has the jeweler name Lemoine. Possible from the Franco-Prussian War too.
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That is one awesome group
KomturVery rare to see a Wendish Crown on a bar.
Hope no trouble to identify the illustrious recipient.
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Anybody Identify the recipient.
Thanks in advance.
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Saint Anne 3rd class
in Russia: Imperial
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Just noticed on image 166 the ring looks to be 50 maybe for the year or should there always be present the 56 gold content and it can't be 50 for the year?