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Hello, this doesn't look like any Imperial issue I've ever seen.  Of all the types I've seen, none had the eagle on a disk nor one without a crown.

Could be some sort theatrical do dad or something from the 1st Republic.  But, IMO, not Imperial.

Best,

Greg 

Hey all!

My son just got this wound badge from ebay for a price too good to pass up. He posted it on WAF earlier, but considering the amount of fakes out there he wants as many opinions as he can get lol. He only has the sellers photos at the momenta, so they'll have to do for now. Would love to hear everyone's opinions on it.

Hey Graham, the length is correct, but the width is 5mm.

Just don't know what to think on this one.

Oh well, I'm not going to toss it in the trash!

Stay well

Greg 

Thanks Graham.  I do know the blog that you noted.  Some great info in those 16 or so pages!

Which leads me to wonder about that bar.  Fake, private purchase or a maker outside Vienna?

The bars age and thread seem to have the same consistency as the ribbon.

Your thoughts please!

Stay well 

Greg 

Hey Graham, same mark as some of the bars on my other bared medals I have.  

I know that Zimbler was the maker, but I've heard that others also made them.  Can you shed any light on this for my edification?

Thanks

Greg

2 hours ago, graham said:

Nice pieces. Has the award bar got any markings on the back?

None that I can see without taking the bar off.  The bar is directly sewn on the ribbon and the thread is pretty fragile.  Don't want to twist the bar too much and snap the thread.

Sorry....I'm curious also.

Best,

Greg

Hey all, got some new ones for the collection.

Stay well,

Greg

14 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

 

Notwithstanding this, awards continued to be made. Possibly because they were Imperial to the bone, many officers did not really care what a bunch of politicians in Weimar thought of their traditions. And awards continued to be made with official sanction. The Reichswehr stopped accepting new recommendations for war awards around 1920, but continued to process existing recommendations, and there was still an exception for returning prisoners of war. For Prussia, this was limited to general awards (e.g., EK1&2, Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe, Rote-Kreuz-Medaille, Dienstauszeichnung), rather than knightly orders associated with the old monarchy, like the House Order of Hohenzollern. But other states had different practices.

 

Saxony: the Heeresabwicklungsamt Sachsen processed award recommendations for Saxon war decorations, including knightly orders. For example, Erich von Loßnitzer was awarded his Militär-St.-Heinrichs-Orden on 21.1.1920. Like Fritsch, Hptm.d.R. Ernst Seydel, Hptm.d.R. Walter Eichler, and OLt. Heinrich Gerlach were awarded the SA3aX on 18.6.1920. On the same date, the SA3bX was awarded to Lt.d.R. Rudolf Berger, Lt.d.L. Rudolf Böhmer, Lt.d.R. Wolfgang von Boetticher and Lt.d.R. Alfred Johnson, and the Verdienstkreuz mit Schwertern was awarded to Proviantamtsinspektor Richard Engst. From the Schutztruppe für Kamerun, Lt.d.L. Johannes Gläser and Lt.d.R. Richard Wolf received the SA3bX on 1.9.1920 and Stabsveterinär Dr. Ernst Artur Gottschalk received the SA3aX on 19.10.1920.

 

Bavaria: The Heeresabwicklungsamt Bayern announced that it would stop processing Vorschläge for most military decorations on 31.5.1920, with 30.6.1920 being the Abschlußtermin for the Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden and the Militär-Sanitäts-Orden. Only prisoners of war returning after those dates could still be considered for awards, and then the proposal had to be made within 2 months after their return. Awards were still being gazetted in the Verordnungsblatt in December 1920. These included the Militär-Verdienstorden, the Militär-Verdienstkreuz, the Tapferkeitsmedaillen and the Verdienstkreuz für freiwilligen Krenkenpflege.

 

Württemberg I am not sure about. The Heeresabwicklungsamt Württemberg did have an office for Ordensangelegenheiten. I have seen some post-war award recommendations denied, but I do know of post-war awards. For exampe, the later-Generalmajor Hermann Harttmann from the Schutztruppe für Kamerun was awarded the WM3 in January 1920, although he had been nominated in 1917.

 

Mecklenburg-Schwerin continued to award the Militärverdienstkreuz into the 1920s. The last known award of the Mecklenburg-Strelitzsches Kreuz für Auszeichnung im Kriege was in January 1924.

 

Awards of the Friedrich-August-Kreuz were made by the Oldenburg Militärkanzlei through at least 1920. I have seen mid-1920s correspondence in a Wehrmacht personnel file from the former Flügeladjutant to the Großherzog regretting that no one was left to approve an award, but telling the officer in question he should consider himself as having earned the award.

The Sachsen-Weimar Hausorden der Wachsamkeit oder vom Weißen Falken was awarded with swords into 1920. As a Hausorden, technically it could still be awarded even after that point, although without any official sanction.

 

The final award of the Schaumburg-Lippisches Kreuz für Treue Dienste 1914 was made in 1923.

 

The final official awards of the Lippisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz were made in 1922 and the last award of the Kriegsehrenkreuze für heldenmütige Tat was made in 1921. Since it was a Hausorden, the Ehrenkreuz continued to be awarded, even with swords after that point. Several Wehrmacht officers had late awards of Kriegsverdienstkreuz and Ehrenkreuz mit Schwertern, although in most cases these were backdated to November 1918.

 

The Bremisches Hanseatenkreuz was awarded into 1923. The Haumburgisches Hanseatenkreuz was awarded into at least 1922. The Lübecksches Hanseatenkreuz was awarded into 1921.

 

The Saxon duchies are an odd case. Awards of the Ernestinischer Hausorden with swords continued to be made into the 1930s at least, and the Reichswehr's and Wehrmacht's attitude toward them varied from time to time. Other awards of war decorations were also made after the war. Major a.D. Heinrich von Hanstein, for example, was awarded the Carl-Eduard-Kriegskreuz and the EH3aX in 1928.

 

Anhalt and Schwarzburg stopped processing awards with the abdications in November 1918. Other stated I am less certain about. I have not come across any post-1918 awards from Baden, Hessen or Braunschweig, but I cannot say for certain there were none.

 

 

 

Very informative!  Thanks for posting this most interesting information

Best,

Greg

Hey Gordon,  that's what I was looking for.  I think, I'll do up something similar.

Thanks again so much!!!

Greg

Hi, I think we got our wires crossed.  What I mean is, do you have a method like a computer spreadsheet or notebook that you annotate where your awards were gotten, etc

Thanks so much however, would love to see your collection!

Best,

Greg

Hello all, say, I was wondering how many of you catalog your collections?

If you do, what methods do you use and what information do you annotate?

Thanks so much!

Greg

Thanks EL.  As you vey well know, I'm new to A-H awards and I'm trying to get as much info on this specific area of militaria collecting.  I know in some fields (i.e. British awards) the ribbon is not all that important, the actual medal is.  I see a lot of common awards with pretty fresh ribbons that to me cast doubts on being original.  But then again, I have a 5 wound, Wound Medal with an original mint ribbon that was more than likely added to the medal at some point. 

Very interesting on the with or without case.  Something I was unaware of.

As to me ever owning an original MTO, I have my doubts.  I have one more hobby that owning one would interfere with...........eating!

Again, thanks for your insights, much appreciated!

Greg 

Hey all, with regards to A-H awards, how much value is detracted from the medal if the ribbon is a modern replacement?

Thanks as always!

Greg 

Hello all, this is one great thread!  Many thanks SR for posting your insights and taking the time to post about this subject.

Some of the fakes you posted are exceptionally done, scary to be sure.  It's nice to have these posted to compare with the originals.

My son collects Imperial awards, I myself collect Austro-Hungarian awards.  He's ran into a couple fakes that you can tell right off the bat.  But the fakes you posted can and do fool many novice and I suspect some advanced collectors also.

Thanks again for the time and effort in posting such valuable information.

Best,

Greg

Hello all, got this one in the mail today.  Pretty happy with it!

Best,

Greg

What a great bar!!! 

My Congratulations!

Best,

Greg

Hey all, got some Cap Badges and a 40 Year Faithful Service Medal on the Military Ribbon in the mail today.

Best, 

Greg

1 hour ago, GdC26 said:

Nice thought, but you do know the "old gentleman", as you call him, managed to lose not just about every war he fought over the course of his long reign, but also his empire, right? 

Kind regards, 

 Sandro

Hey Sandro, sure do.  He had a very interesting life, also one filled with tragedy.  Brother shot, Sisi assassinated, Rudolf suicide.  Plus as you said   lost wars and eventually the Empire.

By most accounts however, he was well liked and respected by his subjects.  I do find him an interesting man.

Best Regards,

Greg

Hello all, seeing how this year is the 70th Jubilee for Elizabeth II, I thought it might be nice to pay tribute to a monarch who was on the throne almost as long.

I thought it would be nice to make a display to honor the old gentleman.  

Best,

Greg

Thanks for the info on this medal.  I kind of figured that it was a private issued piece.  Just wasn't sure.  Nice to know about some of these off the grid medals so to speak.

I know that Richard Lussier has a E-Book (for lack of a better term) and it sure is full of great info.  The other book you mentioned is one I'd like to get.....someday!

Again, thanks for the info.

Stay well,

Greg

Thanks for the kind words Tony.  Don't worry about any "rants".  All discussion is good.  Good points were made and I found this a very informative thread.

Thanks again for everything!

Stay well

Greg

Hey all, many thanks BTW.  I knew that it was not an official award, but commemorative in nature.  Just was wondering who commissioned it and if it had any connection to the Habsburg family.

Thanks again!

Greg

P.S. I bought it!

Hey all, what can you tell me about this medal?  

http://www.jkmilitaria.com/Austria/Aus-85.JPG

Thanks so much!

Greg

Howdy, thanks for the kind words!  Your is simply exquisite. 

I don't know why I put down medal....just wasn't thinking I guess!

Best Regards!

Greg  

Hello all, just so everyone is aware.  I did purchase this bar.  The cost was $100.  So, basically the price of the medals combined.  The dealer I got it from was aware that the bar was put together, and he priced it accordingly.

I'm kind of surprised that no one mentioned that the ribbons of the 1908 Jubilee and the Tyrol Defense are switched around.

Anyway, just my 2c regarding this.

Best,

Greg