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Valid point Mr Research! indeed.

I too have an EKII that is mounted 'backwards' on a Wurttemberg Trio...

I am going to leave it as it is...as the medal has been sewn onto the ribbon bar by the owner..

so as RR says...sometimes the owners were quirky in their own way...

so as custodians of their medalbars....we must honour their ways...no matter how

un-regulation they were...

Good on you Bob..too! for deciding to leave it as it was....

Nuff said

Regards from NZ

Paul

Gents,

I have another query....

(Should have asked this before...Duh!)

For the first bar, shall i get a 25Yr Enlisted OR Officers cross?

(still learning..and dont wanna do it wrong...)

and how much should i expect to pay for it?

Thanks again gents,

Best regards

Paul

I agree! Wonderful pictures Andreas! thankyou.

I just love to see these sorts of pics...

Just had another look at the Colonel....maybe they whited out the portrait...because of his big belly?

Very nice Paul,

Do you know when he fought in North Africa or which battles he was in?

Hi Darrell.

He was in the 6th infantry brigade

I have his records here and it states that he was in Egypt by 30/9/40

reported safe in Egypt 18/5/41

disobedience 14 days CB. 17/6/41 hee hee!

He was Overseas from 27/9/40 to the 12/7/43

My auntie has the 26th battalions Official war record book and i am to inherit it( he is my direct ancestor my fathers father!,and i am the last male in the family line from the first four ships to NZ!) as soon as i can get down south to pick it up. It will tell me exactly where and when he fought.

Cheers

Paul

and here is my other Grandfather

Clifford Harry Palmer formerly of 156 Sqn RAF coastal command.

He flew in France and germany and over the bay of biscay.

was awarded the

1939-45 star

Atlantic star with France and Germany bar

Defense medal

War Medal

and finally the RNZAF LSGC medal for 18years undetected crime...

He is still alive and well in Christchurch and is now 83.

He is the secretary for the Brevet club here ( RNZAF old boys) and regularly contributes to the RAF aircrew magazine, 'Intercom'.

He was in the RAF regiment at first then in 1943 when 156 Sqn got the Yankee Liberators he joined and became an AirGunner.

Served in India after the war, and in 1953 came to live in NZ with his family. then took a demotion from Flight sargeant, to start all over again and reached the rank again pretty quick!.

One photo here is of his crew he is the second right at the back.

the other pic, is him receiving his LSGC.

Hope the gents enjoy this little bit of my families history!

best regards

Paul

New Zealand.

and here is my Great Grandfather!

44059 Pte Leslie Gordon Forbes NZMGC

when i was a silly young lad...i sold his original medals...boohoo!

so all i have is this lot

and the memories from when as a child, i was at his house in Waiau in North Canterbury of NZ, and was

being nosey, as kids are...and in his shed i found the original Vickers machine gun that he had brought back from the war! awesome! it is now in the Waiau Museum.

fancy that! being able to bring it home!

He was famous in the area there for riding an old Indian motorcycle everywhere he went.

Enjoy!

Regards

Paul

Hello Gents,

Here is my meagre contribution.

My Grandfather. John Edward Denton Pte 26th Battalion NZEF No 12486

was in libya, north africa, egypt, greece, Palestine, Turkey,italy.discharged 18 march 1944.

He had a pretty hot time in Greece, and went through action better than he thought he would...

Been dead since 1986 was a pretty hot rugby player in his time with playing for Canterbury and nearly was an All Black! but the selectors told Nana, he was too much a party boy and liked his beer too much!

Regards

paul

Hi Joe,

U mean the big bar? or the second smaller one?

i will put a 25yr on the bigger one...but will wait till the other one gets here before i decide on what to add to it..

Really dont wanna spoil it with a 25Yr nazi medal....

Cheers

Paul

One more question for Rick,

I am curious as how you seem to know that it is a Navy bar?

it has this felt backing here

Is this bar traceable?

Many thanks for your help here!

Best regards

paul

Thanks Gents,

I will begin the hunt for a prussian 25Yr cross.

Stogieman, A gent by the name of Charlie Suggs sold me the bar, go easy on him, he thinks he is Lucky, as he has reached 78 with Triple bypass surgery and hip replacement etc...etc...

The second bar...hmmm, i really dont want to put a Nazi 25Yr on it....

Hmmm, one other thing, the ribbon loks like it was an afterthought, see how it should be under the HK ribbonm, Not on the top....

i will wait till this is in hand before deciding on what to put in the gap.

Regards

Paul

Heres another one i bought, its missing one similar...

it should have the 4yr? or the 2nd class landwehr??

oh! and if anyone has a nice medal for these bars for sale at a good price, do PM me.

Thanks gents

Cheer,

Paul

Hello Gents,

i have bought this bar and wish to know exactly which medal to get to replace the missing one.

Me thinks a 15Yr cross would suffice?

what are the gents ideas.?

Sorry for the poor pics, they are the sellers i will post a better pic when it gets here.

Thanking you in advance.

Cheers,

Paul.

Yes i agree!

Beautiful!

show us more!

Regards

Paul

Awesome set there!

i have not seen a display frame like that before,

prolly not down here anyways...but i like it!

its nice and period looking which is part of the history of the display.

But certainly a nice find indeed! RFC...wow!

Heres my wee tribute to my Great Grandad

Leslie Gordon Forbes NZMGC

(It was huge...so i resized it and thusly lost quality...sorry)

Cheers

Paul

WOW! thanks Ed,

I have never seen an 1813 medalbar!

Andreas, your group is Magnificent! thanks for showing!

Rgeards

Paul

Gents,

Why don't we all ask him a question...and voice our disgust at such barbaric practice!

Hopefully discourage this person from doing this again....

I know its wishful thinking......

Hmmm, i like Dans idea.... kill em all....let God sort em out!!

Hello Gents,

It seems i have a long way to go on the slippery slope!

Man! there are some beauties here!

Thanks for showing your gems gents! and i mean each and everyone of them...

Heres my meagre contribution....

The Brunswick set came with the medalbar and two bows.

Regards

Paul

I agree with Paul.

Brian said it.

Nice pic Marcus!

They serve their purpose i guess, and there just seem to be alot of bars around with these on them, and i love these bars regardless! so the HK is part of it all!

Cheers

Paul

Rick, these widows crosses, now how was this blackening applied?

as i came across one which was parade mounted, and it seemed to be painted..so i thought it was fake and steered away!

so were they painted?

Cheers

Paul

Tony,

Thankyou so much for posting this list!

Now i am going to be run ragged chasing all the makers i dont have ,...lol!

Seriously tho...its good to see what different makers there were

and there seems to be a few!

My KMF is the circles one..

Thats the idea! yes we should!

My contribution

1 x Erbe

1 x K M F

1 x Ab.B L

1 x W ( then a big 'D' with inscription inside) D

3 x G10

1 x G12

1 x W&L M. ( this one is without swords for an engineer)

Looking ofrward to seeing more maker marks.

Cheers

Paul

Hello Gents,

I was wondering if there has ever been a thread started where we all got to gether and compiled a list of the different Honour cross maker marks?

Or does anyone know if there is a list of Known makers?

I have several Intersting maker marked medals and wondered about the manufacturers and where they were in germany and what,( if possible) were the numbers of these that were produced.

Regards

Paul

Yeah i kknow Bob...dumb question...i had done a cursory search and comeup with a wurttemburg Long service ribbon....maybe its cos the stripe patterns were the same...and fading...is in my eyesight....

Hi Chip,

I could well be that there was alot of 'Faller's there in Baden.

I must probe my source for more info on where the document came from...maybe shed more light about him (Faller).

Its nice to have some info on the Gentlemen who won the awards we collect.

I am going to buy a medal to go with it and frame the two together in rimu to hang on the wall for all to see and admire. but will be noting on the reverse that the two did not come together for originalitys sake

I am already in the process of framing two HK docs with parade mount medals both combattant and Non combattants. looking for a widows doc and medal...(these two did came with the medals and are awarded to two separate gents.)

Its my small way to honour these soldiers....and its a good way to display a medal and doc especially if you only have the two items from the one man.( and it keeps them together!!)

Cheers Gents,

Paul.

AAAH! i see, that would explain the two faces of a man and a woman.

Thanks Stogie!

Impressive bar nonetheless!