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Hi Tom,

And a big welcome to the GMIC forum!

A lovely pair...and with paperwork it is superb!

Thanks for showing! and we look forward to your contributions to the forum!

Kind regards

Paul

New Zealand.

Ed,

Since these bars are not of the named type and there is no paperwork with this bar....i am of a disposition to find medals for it JUST for display purposes...not to twist History....also i think that the ribbons are nothing without the medals....( exception of ribbon bars, which are for that express purpose of being ribbon bars)

But then again...with the plethora of choices..i may be Mis-representing the bar in its entirety...so i may not 'replace' the medals....

Hmmm, thanks gents...food for thought!

Hmmm, the dilemma continues....

Ed, i do see your point...but as Rick says..its nigh on impossible to Guarantee that the medals came with the bar....with these "hookies"

Heiko, can you possibly post pics of the medals you mention? it will give me a start on what to look for...Thanks!

But if you look closely...the hook for the green ribbon is a tad wider that the other two,,, which suggests to me that the medal could possibly be using a different suspension....this would give us a BIG clue to what the medal could possibly be......

Hello Gents,

Have the opportunity to purchase this wee bar....BUT before i rush into things....i want to know what the 3rd ribbon is for and if this medal is easily obtainable....

i plan to restore the bar with the appropriate decorations...and wanted to check on this unknown medal before taking the plunge

It has the prongs on the back for hanging the medals...hence the desire to restore it

Thanks for your help!

Regards

Paul

Simon,

You are dead right...if we are to believe the label...there is no way that the numbers were there in 36 as this regiment was not formed until 1940. I was looking at it late at night...and maybe my subconcsious wanted to belive that this was genuine.... my brain was tired...was not thinking logically..

Yes ...read the mans career before the badges.....or supposed badges...

Can we try another angle...and look up the regiment lists? and ascertain if we have the name correct...then find out more about him that way...then we can safely assume his decorations...

Simon,

You raise a good point there...Hmmm, i will check back with the seller and see if he was mistaken with it being silver...

I am certain that the loops are period manufacture by the tailor, and are definately high up enough from the pocket to be for a CCC.....OR am i totally wrong here???

Hmm, ok Rick, we can assume that he was from Saxony....lets think outside the square a bit...and assume he may have been either stationed there for a period of time in 36 or perhaps just on the offchance had his tunic made there on say...recommendations from fellow officers...??

I have looked closely at the Tailors label...and its only ever been sewn to this tunic...and it was sewn to the tunic when the tunic was made...as you cannot see the stitching from any other side except the side visible.

The Shoulder boards look to be original to the tunic...well the stitching is tailor quality...and the fading under the pips is consistent with being on there from day one...so do the numbers.

The award loops for the EK are tailor made, but the other 2 look like to be field additions.

Also maybe...the name is not Grosse, but the second letter is something else...??? i am not that familiar with German names, so cannot even venture a guess....maybe someone with the Berlin phone book could look up under G and see what could fit....

I am determined to crack this mystery!

Regards

Paul

Thanks Simon,

No i do not have any of the mans paperwork...the guy i bought it off said he got it in a market direct off the family... and he queried them about the mans medals...and they told him that he had a CCC in silver and they were not selling it...but he did get his EKI which i am trying to buy off him!

Maybe the CCC was awarded for the French campaign? or perhaps the Kandalaksha campaign? who knows...

Can anyone do some research into this Regiment? as i have no idea where to start...a google search brings up very little.

Rick, you mean to say that nothing matches? but you are quoting 2 examples from Saxony only...what about the rest of Germany?

I want to dig deeper into the mystery...Hmmmm....exciting isn't it!

Cheers

Paul

The 169 ID pulled out of Finland along with the rest of the 20 Geb. Armee in the autumn of '44. After a slow move down through Norway it ended the war back on the continent.

A CCC in silver is highly unusual for the scandinavian theater. Do you know anything of the man's paperwork?

I like this combination too!

the green is so vivid!

Cheers

Paul

Laurence,

Thankyou ever so much!

Just what i neede to know...

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul

From top left as #1

#1 Air raid Warning Personel

#2 Searchlight Equiptment Administrator (this should have the flat on top and the flames pointing to the right.

#3 Qualified Radio Istructor (give this one a quarter turn)

#4 Medic

#5 Air Signals Equiptment Administrator

#6 Armourer NCO in the Falk arty and the regiment "General Goering"

Hope this helps

These are the sellers pics...gotta get some decent pics with the camera soon!

Here is the shoulderstrap details

And the Tailors label

More pics

Hello Gents,

I have jumped into the big bad world of Tunics!

This one is for an Infantry Hauptmann named Fritz Grosse the Adjutant of Grenadier Regiment 378 of 169 Infanterie division.

Formed in 1940 ( Jan) First in Action during the French campaign, apparently arrived in Finland from Norway during the early stages of the Russian campaign and was in action on the Kandalaksha front in 1942 remained in Finland ever since.

( exerpt taken from the German Order of Battle 1944)

He was awarded the;

EKII

EKI

CCCin silver

IAB

Wound badge

I know this as the Gent i bought it of, bought it directly off the family and has His EKI!

the family has the CCC in silver and the other badges were lost over time.

I have first dibs when he eventually sells the EKI, hopefully soon! cos i need one for the tunic! and what better than the Original one he was awarded!!!

I am also in the process of aquiring the other decorations from various sources...( even though they are not originally Grosses' just to complete the display)Have the IAB and the wound badge so far...

The tunic is in good condition with period tailor repairs to both elbows. there are a few moth holes but nothing big. the collar tabs seem to have been wet at some stage and the dye from the collar ( green) has soaked into the tabs.They are correct with the period Zig zag stitching and the liner fixings.

There is a button sewn to the shoulder under the right shoulder strap so this must have been for the adjutants aiguilette. Am getting one for the tunic soon.

The tailors label is in a lower pocket, ( the only one!) and it reads,

Oscar Beierlein, Clauchau i/Sa Theaterstrasse 59

Dated Mai 36 to Hauptmn Grosse.

It has a opening for the dagger hangers to fit through, but no hanger clip.

The pockets are lined and the left breast one has loops for 3 awards and the CCC, Strangely no loops for a ribbon bar...

The Breast Eagle is in very good condition with no tears to the bullion!

Al in All a nice tunic with provenance!

If anyone can elaborate more about GR378 and its history i would be very much gratefull!

AND...on the small chance ( entirely possible nowadays with the Internet) ANYONE has any of his documents i would love the opportunity to reunite these items with the Tunic!

Oh! and the Aigiulette shown was the sellers...he wont sell...Bugger!

And the buttons for the top pockets are missing...anyone got a couple spare???

Enjoy!

Kind regards

Paul

Thanks Paul,

I need to know what they are ..i mean what they represent, what Trades...

And soon they go on the for sale stand...

regards

Paul

Great Stuff Paul...keep up the good work!

Nice to see the gents help you out!

Had to get help elsewhere...for this one...the 25Yr cross

but is good to see it complete again!

cheers gents

Paul

Please i would like to know if this is original and its approximate worth

thanks !

Here is the reverse of it..

And another one,

an edelwies a silk one...is this one ok?

And what is its approximate worth

Thanks!

the reverse

Is it good??

Hello Gents,

Another pickup today

this Heer eagle...green...?

I need to know anything anyone can tell me about this eagle...

What branch? Gebirgs? or camo?

and approximate worth

thanking ye kindly

Regards

Paul

Hello gents,

I picked these up just today...and i need some opinions on them.

First of all what are they? some are obvious, like the medical one...but the others...Hmmm?

I can do closeups if needed..

Are these badges widely faked? if so what is the obvious signs...?

What are these worth each?

Thanking ye kindly in advance

Regards

Paul

Ed,

Whats the difference between a Calcutta Strike and one from the UK??

Cheers,

Paul

Marvellous Ed!

Thanks for sharing...

Now i have ANOTHER slippery slope.....Hellllp!

Cheers

Paul

No Comments?

I have done a massive search and not found one like it!

Sooo please help meee....

I echo Deptfordboys comment! Blimey!

Thanks Ed!

Nice to see the visual difference between the George V 1st and 2nd varieties!

Thanks for showing us!

Regards

Paul

Thanks, Mike and John.

I had my suspicions that it was a fake....just needed confirmation.

Thanks for your time!

Maybe the moderators could move these pics to the Fakes bin to help the unwary!

Regards

Paul