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  1. The "II" was stamped after they were made in Eboli, Italy (1945 - 47), this was done by members of the post war Chetnik Association of Royal Yugoslav Combatants 'Draza Mihailovich" (Udruzenje Boraca Kraljevinske Jugoslovenske Vojeske 'Draza Mihailovic'). The "II" can be seen at the bottom of the Cyrillic " in their symbol of the Ravnogorski Znak (Ravna Gora Badge), which they adopted in emigration, with the addition of a wreath. This "II" stamped Cyrillic variation of the badge is usually seen with a high serial number on the revers of the badge, and is more uncommon than the normal Cyrillic Ravnogorski Znak.

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  2. Hard to say, the detail/patina is good on the front of the badge and the back looks about right. The only thing is the serial number, it's faint and not as strong as it should be. No concerns with the bolts on the back, as there were variations made with a nut and bolt attachment. In my opinion it's most likely an original piece, with the nuts missing from the back.

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  3. I'm not 100% sure if it is authentic or not, because allot of these 'war casting' kokarde and badges have been popping up recently, and its very suspicious because its not that hard to fake.

    Here are some similar examples, of which I am also unsure of their authenticity.

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  4. Hey Valjevo, it's most likely just a wartime customization of the badge as some Chetniks didn't believe in the 'Kingdom of Yugoslavia' ideology but rather just as Orthodox Serbs. This is the best reason I can give for the King Peter Karađorđević 2 kokarda having Serbian flag colours instead of Yugoslav flag colours. This is also easy to do as the monarch initials are just attached by tabs which hold them in place, therefor they can be easily be manipulated and removed form the kokarda. This is why you sometimes see these kokarde in good condition (not damaged), but missing the initial for the monarch.

    King Peter Karađorđević 1 of Serbia (1903-1921)

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    King Peter Karađorđević 2 of Yugoslavia (1934-1941)

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  5. Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 005810), on German War Booty Archive.

    http://www.germanwarbooty.com/item-medals01/medals m5410.htm

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    Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 002343), sold on The Saleroom.

    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/andrew-smith-and-son/catalogue-id-srandr10029/lot-cf20987e-ee26-4211-b656-a45a01222ceb

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    Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number unknown), belonging to Major Milan Cvjetičanin (1915-1963). The photo in Eboli camp shows, from left to right: Milivoje Vuksanovich, Jovo Keca, Tadija Metlicich, Stevo Radjenovich, Zika Mladenovich, Milan Cvjetičanin (right in front, shown whearing his Ravnogorski Znak on his left breast pocket), Bogdan Drobac.

    https://www.pogledi.rs/en/major-milan-cvjeticanin/

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  6. The Ravnogorski Znak (Ravna Gora Badge) was made in Eboli, Italy of an aluminum alloy and was awarded to members of the Yugoslav Army in the Homeland (JVuO), starting at the end of 1945 until the end of 1946. A smaller version was also made and had a pin attached to the back (theses were not numbered on the back). These full-size badges were given to JVuO members who were then in Allied camps in Italy (Eboli) and Germany (Munster), but not to civilians.

    The triangular design, with an upright sword through the center, a human skull just above the hand guard, and palm and olive branches crossed over the handle, are similar in both sizes. At the bottom of both large and small badges is stamped “РАВНА ГОРА” (“Ravna Gora”). The Serbian Cyrillic letters “ДМ” (“DM”), which stand for the name of Draža Mihailović, are also incorporated into the design of the badge. The badge was also made in Latin script (PII) for members of the Royal Yugoslav Armed Forces of non Serbian origin and also for some Bosnian Chetniks. The image of the Ravnogorski Znak is now used as a symbol for the Veterans Association of the Royal Yugoslav Army.

    This larger badge, which measures 1-7/16" (37 mm) wide by 2" (50 mm) high, sometimes had the Roman numeral “II” stamped on the blade of the sword for King Peter II Karađorđević (“П”, the Serbian Cyrillic letter for “P”, also appears under the crown), and on the reverse there is always a unique number-of-record stamped into the bottom, under the safety pin. Each badge weighs between 4.10 and 4.25 grams. There are many different versions and variations of this badge. These are some of the ones that have shown up over time.

    Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 003728), sold on Emedals for $715 USD.

    https://www.emedals.com/a-rare-second-war-serbian-chetnik-badge

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    Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 003601), from the Georgetown, D.C. estate of a gentleman who was a Lieutenant Colonel who served under Draža Mihailović and was in the Eboli camp after the war. The man who discovered all of these badges from an estate sale, Stephen L. Stewart (more commonly know by his eBay name, stewartsl) sold the badges one by one on eBay. The one shown in the pictures with number 003601 sold almost six years ago and achieved the record sale of $1,494 USD. The other badge numbers he has sold are 003620, 003621 (which was only sold two months ago for $550 USD and is the best condition one that he has sold), 004111, 004114, 004118 and 004119. To this day he only has one more left and has stated that he wants to keep it.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-uncirculated-Serbian-Chetnik-Ravna-Gora-badge-/123252121058?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=gQVK6K7vmiDp0pKK2CYMAAqRqjY%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

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    Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 005759), sold on Flying Tiger Antiques.

    https://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/very-rare-wwii-serbian-chetnik-guerillapartisan-badge-numbered-on-reverse.html

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    Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 001954), sold on Regimental Badges.

    https://www.regimentalbadges.com/en-GB/others/ww2-serbian-chetnik-ravna-gora-badge-/prod_10713#.W54q3fYRVPY

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  7. On 27/12/2014 at 23:04, paja said:

    Some Kingdom of Yugoslavia embroidered braid badges for officer's caps/shajkache, introduced by the 1939 regulation, which replaced older enameled monogram badges. They where used by many Chetniks during the duration of the second world war, including General Draža Mihailović.

    Red versions (infantry).

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    Some examples shown on caps and shajkache.

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    Different colours for different units,

    Red - Infantry

    Black - Artillery

    Blue - Cavalry

    Violet (Purple) - Engineers

    Brown - Medical

    Green - Supply

    Cream - Chaplain

    Some examples of variations that have sold on Emedals over the years.

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  8. The eBay seller: miki-ni, has been selling these very nice looking Chetnik knives for a while and they are allays listed at around $500-$600, but just recently he has listed one at $1,000. This one looks nice but I am 100% sure it's a fake like the other ones, it looks very similar to the chetnik m24 kama dagger, but this one doesn't have the bayonet attachment on the end of the handle. I confronted the seller and asked him where he had gotten all of the knives and badges that he had for sale. He told me that he had bought everything in Serbia in the town of  Kruševac from a family, who during the WW2 lived in the village of Kukljin  where there was a Chetnik headquaters at the time. This story is a little hard for me to believe and I am pretty sure that he is lying, make your own judgment. I told him that I think that they are fake and he told me if I think that they're fake, don't buy them, you cant judge authenticity from pictures.

    Also every knife he lists is listed under the name of "SERBIA assault chetnik knife knife WWII" and the description for this knife is "an assault knife worn by elite chetnik assault units under the command of General Draza Mihajlovic during the WWII. Dimensions, length of knife 36 cm, length of blade 19.5cm, width of blade 3.2cm. The knife handle is made of bone."

    Photos can be seen on the eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SERBIA-assault-chetnik-knife-knife-WWII/123256516902?hash=item1cb2a93126%3Ag%3A2cUAAOSwc~1bTiIX&_sop=16&_sacat=0&_nkw=chetnik&_from=R40&rt=nc

     

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    Above are the closest designs I can find looking similar to the listing.

     


  9. Aha, I wasn't to sure about the authenticity of those two they are my fathers and I wasn't aware. Seeing as its like $1,000 for an original (even if you can find one) no wonder there are so many replicas. Here is another 'wartime kokarda', this one is in pretty bad condition and the skull is damaged not sure if this one is real. Also the "kovnica a.d. Beograd" is barley visible so I am pretty sure that this might be a casting, maybe done during WW2 if original. If you ask me it's an original, but as you can see I am no expert.

    See photos below

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  10. Hey, I recently found this listing, claiming to be a tunic of the Royal Guard of the Kingdom of Serbia. The seller also doesn't make it clear which King Peter's guard it was, listed as ''Kingdom of Serbia - Uniform of the Royal Guard RRR''. But when I look at pictures of real tunics the patters are different and they don't match up, does anyone know what this is?

    See pictures attached.

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    Real King Peter Guard

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  11. Hey, I'm new to this forum and I've been collecting original WW2 chetnik memorabilia and been seeing this dagger on eBay that claims to be real. But when I go back and look at past conversations on the forum I can see that this same seller has sold fakes before. I'm just not sure whether its real or not as the sheath looks identical to some that I can find in original WW2 photos, but not the actual dagger. Also if you look at the images listed with the item they are completely different to the one being sold.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SERBIA-assault-chetnik-knife-knife-WWII/123089896557?hash=item1ca8bac46d:g:6CsAAOSwZz9a2lOm

    Actual photos from eBay listing:

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    Real chetnik dagger and photo (not part of listing):

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