John Bart

Hello again

Thanks again for the info John. I'd love to see this thread or a new one showing everyone's non portable medals and plaques. Again John nice piece.

Duzig(Bill)

Hey Bill.

Thanks again. I've been on the "prowl" for some new pieces and will

post when they arrive. You are right though, the prices are going up, up, up!

Harder to obtain.

John

Hello,

John nice looking item! Can I ask what size is it and what is it made of? I've noticed lately that more people seem to be getting interested in non portable items, plaques and the like and the prices being asked for them seem many times,to me,to be out of bounds. I wonder if it's because so many of the combat badges are being faked turning many away from collecting them and also because of the finite # of ww2 items available in general. At the last few shows I attended(and I don't go to many)I couldn't believe what some of the dealers were asking for stuff. Almost got me thinking about collecting other things,almost...but didn't.LOL Again nice looking item.

Duzig(Bill)

Hi Bill,

Thanks. It's about 2" in diameter and 1/8" thick. My guess is that it's alloyed with nickel, copper & zinc

(just an educated guess). Perhaps some other members have some textbook documentation on these

which might describe the metal composition more accurately?

I know what you mean about the prices "being out of bounds." It's a shame but a stark reality.

It's a combination of "supply & demand" and just outright greed.

Appreciate your comments

John

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1934 Table Medal Award

German universities could (and still do) grant honorary citizenships (Ehrenb?rgerw?rden) to people from outside the university. There cannot have been many honorary citizens of the University of Bonn during 1933-45. I would guess maybe 10-15 at maximum.

Thanks webr55, I didn't know that. I wonder if a list of the recipients would be easily obtained?

I greatly appreciate your contribution to this thread

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Hello all,

John it looks from the second picture that there is some wording opposite the sceptre the figure is holding,is that a makers mark or what? Also have never seen a piece like this, very detailed and nicely done. Beautiful item!

Duzig(Bill)

Hi Bill,

Here's a few close-ups of the wording you mention. I can't for the life of me make them out.

I got in a close as I could before my camera "fuzzed" out. Maybe this is the artist's signature

or jeweler's mm? Perhaps if someone has some good imaging software it could be blown up and seen more legibly?

John

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John, I like the additional personal engraving on your example.........

Hi Stogieman,

Glad you like. I've been looking for another, but so far, no luck.

John

Not Detlev Don, it came into my junk shop some 20+ years ago (shop long defunct as I couldn't bear to part with most nice items!) I once saw one (it could be Warlords) on a Forman list.

John I love that silver gilt type.

Regards,

Pete

Pete,

Thanks.

Interesting mounting setup on your medal. Never seen one like that.

Very nice!

John

Hope this helps

WARLORD,

Nice example.

[attachmentid=28422]John, Do you have any clues as to what that is? You must have been shocked when it came out of the ground. Thanks for the advice. I will try that method. Also, when you get a chance, could you look at the ring on your Saar medallion and see if there is a small "tit" on it. This appears not to be an imperfection but a part of the ring. Take a look. Robert

Robert,

Sorry, no idea what that "tit" could be. Mine does not have that feature. Is it centrally located on the loop?

Yes, I was shocked to say the least when I dug that horse-shoe shaped swaz out of the ground. I'm unsure exactly as to what this thing might be. My guess is that it was probably some kind of a "good luck" costume jewelry. Probably early 1900's. Might even be an American Indian piece of some sort. They used the swas motif frequently until Hitler came into power. Never saw one til I dug it up. The blue inlay on the swas looks to be turquoise (a favorite of the American Indian).

John

Now that is cool. Never seen one before

Thanks for showing it James.

Cheers

Don

Very Cool!!!!!!

Nice one, James.

John

I just found a speech from a ceremony there....

" Mit Ihnen hei?e ich unsere Ehrenb?rger und die Tr?ger der Universit?tsmedaille willkommen."

This was said by the dean of the university:I also welcome our honory citizens and wearers of the university medal.

I don?t know if this university medal is what you present here or something else.....

Fascinating! Thanks for that information. I appreciate your research skills

Thanks for the info.It is 100% from the Rheinische Friedrich Wilhelms University Bonn.

Rosenberg,

Thanks much for the confirmation. I greatly appreciate it!

I do believe it is from the university of Bonn.Could you please write down the lettering of the non-swaz side.

Hi Rosenberg,

I greatly appreciate your comments! The lettering as you requested:

(starting in the 6 o'clock position read clockwise)

FRIDER.GVILELM.RHENANAE UNIVERSITAS.LITTER.

I've been banging my head against the wall trying to find documention on this or at least

a picture of one in wear. Thanks for your help.

John

Indeed, a fantastic item. I remember seeing it before when you posted it elsewhere & I was taken by it then.........

Thanks for showing it here.

Cheers

Don

Thanks Duzig & Don,

Duzig, that lettering I am sure is the artist's/sculptor signature. It's very hard to make out.

Now that you mention it, I should take another closer look at it.

Also from 1934.......

Cheers

Don

Don,

Your North Rheinland Fire Cross of Merit is very very impressive!

Nice, rare find

John

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Speaking of metal detecting,...... (I used to have a real passion for it.)

Back in the "old days" (when my knees were still in good shape) I used to go out frequently

in search of old coins. I did pretty well and had lots of fun with it. Approximately 20 years ago I dug this piece in an old schoolyard. Certainly not a Third Reich piece, but kind of interesting I thought.

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Thanks John and Don, I am debating whether or not to clean it. I got this along with an AH medallion that I've since passed along from a group close to my home. They save all of their vacation and sick days and spend it in Europe with a metal detector looking for relics. Those were two of the things they found. My dilemma is whether or not to clean it to prove its' authenticity or leave it alone. I have yet to decide. Talk Soon, Robert

Hi Robert,

As for cleaning the medal, I would suggest covering it in olive oil and let it sit a few weeks.

Afterwards, take either a soft cloth or a cue tip and gently rub it. You'll be able to remove some of the oxidation & crud. This will help to "dress up" the piece without etching the surface. It'll establish nice highlights and should enhance the overall appearance. Normally I would never clean a piece (that's

probably the "coin collector" in me) but with a "ground dug" piece you almost have no choice.

Try it out, I think you'll like the results.

John

Is it named and dated on the rim? I'd have expected a presentation of this type to have the recipient's name on it.

I've never seen anything but very fancy calligraphy documents in leather folders-- that sort of thing being cheaper, probably, especially from small towns.

Hello Rick,

No names or date markings on the rim. No markings either on the links.

Appreciate your comments.

I know what you mean about the fancy calligraphy documents. I've seen those but never an award to go with them.

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