Hello Zulu_00,

Top right: Elbeflut Sachsen 2002 - Elbeflood Saxony 2002

Bottom right: Europäische Polizei-Leistungsabzeichen (EPLA) European-Police-achievement medal

USPE actually stands for: Union Sportive Des Polices D'Europe

Bottom right 2nd: The owner of the jacket mentioned Japanese Red cross medal

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v.Perlet

Hello Dave M,

only found what you probably already know. But what does this chap have to do with Kurhessen if I may ask?

https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_der_Groeben

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v.Perlet

Hello Dave Wilkinson,

Hm constabulary or police force might be a good idea. Since the badge is stamped Scully of Montreal, might be a Canadian thingy, and there is a company in Montreal - William Scully, who supplies the Canadian government institutions with these kind of items who will celebrate his 150 year anniversary this year.  www.williamscully.ca

Being in China, I can't access this site.

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v.Perlet

First of all, there are no lions in Scotland.

Having said that, judging from the metal loops on the badge it is typical for a cap or beret badge.

However I haven't come across a British-Scottish or Commonwealth-Scottish unit - yet - solely displaying a lion, any of you?

Below as surely most of you recognize is the Royal Scottish Fusilier Regiment beret badge.

Also showing these distinct arresting loops.

"THE ESSEX AND KENT SCOTTISH-Regiment badge looks entirely different,

Presently I would say this cap or beret lion badge is nothing military

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v.Perlet

Thanks GM1 - explains a lot

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v.Perlet

Haven't been to evilbay for many years - but found this EK1.

Though no markings, but is has this "drilled" hole through the back plate instead of these usual weld/soldered on pins, that always make me feel uncomfortable.

The 1870 EK1 is a poor fake in my opinion and it seems that 1870 iron crosses are on the rise at evilbay.

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v.Perlet

It's some-kind of Kriegerverein badge -war-veterans-assosiation-badge. somehow I got the feeling that I have seen that design before on some tombstone or war-memorial. Krieger Denkmal.

Some of you guys, might find this useful (research of soldiers) the link however is mostly in view of Bavarian army members, mostly in regards to WW1. it has added links.

http://www.moesslang.net/kriegerdenkmaeler_in_bayern.htm

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v.Perlet

Hello Jurgen Fritz,

the whole belt thing is called Koppel, the belt buckle is the Koppelschloss.

What Bayern wrote is absolutely correct. (30)g, indicates that you are referring to the Koppelschloss.

Due to the economical issues during the war, the Koppelschloss itself even if it was meant for an e.g. 50mm belt was also worn at many times with a 45 mm belt. The difference of weight regarding the reduced Koppelschloss dimensions is therefore not just due to a reduced size of the belt, but also due to an e.g. 50mm Koppelschlosses change in material.

E.g. from solid brass to a stamped steel zinc coated Koppelschloss.

see: https://ir63.org/koppel.html

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v.Perlet

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On 29/12/2009 at 20:23, Chris Boonzaier said:

After a looooong wait, i finally found one... perfect prewar 1904 model tunic that has had post 1913 the lay down collar modification done. To a captain in the York and Lancaster regiment. he must have served prewar, but he seems to have been in the Intel Corps during the war... and arrived in France only in August 1918.

 

So I guess he was chasing spies in Britain during the war? Intel Corps 14-18 seems to have been an interesting mix of men...

Hello Chris Boonzaier,

there is a posting currently running showing a photo of  'presumably" Brit, wearing a British captains ww1 tunic

asking for identification of the person.

To me I would simply like to understand as to how one identifies the respective unit - without badges, etc. just like the uniform you posted stating e.g. York and Lancaster Regiment. does the detail of the sleeve pips show that?

Thanks and regards

v.Perlet

Thanks GM1,

upon your info I checked the www and found this order designation.

This order class seems to be a pre-war (WW1) award.

5 classes of the order

3 classes of medals

Real beauties and very similar to Bavarian medals....hm.....I might just consider...

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v.Perlet

The photo looks according to the civilian dress and the Italians uniform to be from the 30's. Any idea as to where the photo was taken?

In that period the British were rubbing shoulders with Mussolini - so could this photo been taken in view of discussions held between the two parties right up to Chamberlain signing the Munich agreement (incl. Italy) in 1938 and his visit to Rome in 1939

see:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40107260

Count Dino Grandi was named ambassador to Great Britain (July 1932) and concluded an Anglo-Italian agreement (1938) before being recalled to Italy.

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v.Perlet

Hello Stuka f,

Nice medals. The medal that got my attention is the one with the blue and black striped ribbon.

What medal would that be and do you have a photo regarding the reverse?

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v.Perlet

20 hours ago, JohanH said:

Thank you both for you information!

 

On the little information label on the framed group you show it states that only six nurses served in Korea. I don't know where that information comes from but there was a lot more than just six female nurses. 

Also the Korea medal seem to be of a different design than my medal. 

 

Below is a clip from a Swedish newspaper about the first men and women who was going to Korea. 

 

 

 

Just for information there is currently a uniform for sale that probably belonged to a Swedish nurse in Korea. 

 

The auction-house states that it is from the Finnish winterwar but if you ask me that patches and uniform style is more Korea-war than winter war. The auction-house probably made their assumption on the fact that the ribbonbar contains medals from Finland and the winterwar. 

 

 

RÖDA KORSET UNIFORM , dam, från Finska vinterkriget 1939-1940. Vapen & Militaria - Uniformer & Dräkter - Auctionet

 

 

Hello JohanH,

The medal pictured in the showcase-frame is the original Korea WAR service medal (awarded to those who did their service during the Korean war.

The one that you seem to have is the 1974 introduced Korea Service Medal  (Described in the link you forwarded)

And yes it could have been awarded to a Swedish member of the NNSC.

So in order to show you what Korean war related medals a Swede could have gotten I forwarded you this Frame photo.

The Uniform regarding the auction IMHO has nothing to do with the Finland war of WW2.

If you still have some detailed questions regarding the medal you have, give it a try and contact the website in your link - there is a contact form.

Regards

v.Perlet

As to the 6 awardees mentioned by the person who owns that frame, I wouldn't know. But there were certainly more then 6 serving during the Korean war as indicated by photos documenting the Swedish contingent, and Thank God for google;

https://www.unmultimedia.org/s/photo/detail/187/0187695.html

And in regards to medals:

http://www.themedalhound.com/koreanw/main.html

Hello The Prussian,

sorry I oversaw your previous question regarding "pre-war" uniform.

I thought your initial remark (pre-war uniform) was placed towards the "Bunter Rock" photo I posted.

Therefore I posted, yes I fully agree.

My mistake was that I assumed that the 4 (in yellow) would remain on the 1907 issue, and not become red.

This I should have pointed out - instead of wrongly or stupidly stating, the uniforms color doesn't match....

The pre-war uniform I mentioned in regards to ccj's shown photo, yes I believe it is a pre-war uniform introduced to my little knowledge around 1910. (you stated 1907, which is fine by me) Since both uniforms, the Bunter Rock and the ccj uniform are both made before 1910 - why did the Btl. number color change?

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v.Perlet

Hello ccj,

yes more or less impossible to find anything of interest in the World Wide Web regarding Magdeburger Jg-Btl. 4

The first photo could be a member of that unit - the kid barely grew above his rifle.

The second group photo on the reverse side-upper right, seems to mention J 4

How Weize identifies the shoulder-board being from Magdeburger Jg-Btl. 4 is beyond my knowledge.

The last photo could also maybe be from the 4th Foot-artillery or Pioneer-unit - you guys know better.

Questions on my part:

was this Jg.Btl.4 a mounted unit?

Is the ribbon on the sleeve (shown on your first posted photo) a distinctive sign for a Jäger unit?

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v.Perlet

Hello saschaw, BlackcowboyBS,

okay understood and thanks for the info.

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v,Perlet

"Bunter Rock" yes true also, my bad ?

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v.Perlet

Hello The Prussian,

Sorry, sorry, off course you are correct that Jäger-Regiments were only formed upon the war. As such the pre-war uniform posted by ccj - displays the Battalion Nr.

I had totally forgotten about that matter. - thanks for your reminder.

Why didn't you remind me about this in the first place? ??

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v.Perlet

Could be R.S. for Rudolf Souval, Wien or e.g. 

Wilh. Kunz, Wien

V. Meyers Söhne, Wien

But since yours unfortunately isn't marked - it wont help you much

Try this page:

https://tompress.shop/en/produkt/austria-hungary-gold-cross-of-merit-sign-wilh-kunz-2/

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v.Perlet

Yes could be, but if there is a Regiment 4, then not just the staff but every member would be wearing a 4 in regards to the Regiment. The eagle button only proves that the respective uniform was worn by a Unteroffizier mit Portepee, e.g. Feldwebel.

There was a photo on e-bay (now gone) stating Jäger-Regiment 4. - Weisenfels

The uniform ccj shows is a Prussian, so to which Prussian Brigade or Division did this 4th Battalion or 4th Regiment belong to? - thanks. (I mean before the war).

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v.Perlet

Thanks The Prussian,

what am I missing? please help me on this

Shoulder-boards or epaulet numbers or insignias refer to Regiments

Buttons of the shoulder boards refer to the respective Kompanien  

.......... ? refer to Battalions

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v.Perlitz

Hello The Prussian

could you please tell me as to how you identify this uniform to be of the 4th battalion?

I fully agree that it is a pre-war uniform.

Regards

v.Perlet

hello ccj,

I just realized that maybe the term Bataillion might mix up things - since the shoulder-boards or epaulets only refer to the respective Regiment. 

So are you looking for the 4th Bataillion of what Regiment?

Or are you searching for items, photos in regards to the 4th Jaeger Regiment?

Regards

v.Perlet

thank you so much

Well after I called you out, you are - good

There is absolutely nothing wrong or false as to what I forwarded in regards to what medals a Swede might have gotten in regards to Korea.

This includes a UN medal towards a Swedish Army member serving DURING the Korean war as security detail for the Swedish red cross installation.

This includes a Red Cross medal awarded by the Swedish government for Swedish personal DURING the Korean war.

Nowhere did I say or forward that the medal JohanH was referring to in HIS own link (not yours) was awarded during the Korean war. How am I supposed to know that the medal he has, is the one he referred to in his own link???

Therefore I had asked him to post a pic of his medal.

So again; what is your problem? or with google?

You should be grateful for google, since JohanH found the link to the medal he has thanks to google. And as such helped tremendously in order for you to  gain information in regards to the Korean service medal.

Regards

v.Perlet