olivyaya

It would be great to see some of your pics !

Welcome here !

Does anyone have any idea what and original is worth?

They are getting more and more expensive... a nice original one is a minimum of 100 euros... most likely 150/200 euros...

Thank you again for trying to help. Do you happen to have a copy of "Uniformen der DDR"? Someone told me that they saw a tunic like mine on page 84.

Thanks,

Robert

Yes, I do have it, but mine is the 1st Edition and no picture on page 84 ! Your reference msut be from the following edition...

Thank you for continuing to help. The button positioning is not the same though.

No, it is not exactly the same since my tunic is an officer gabardine tunic... not the same as yours wolly type...

But as far as yours is concerned, the button positionning does indicate a periode, in your case not the latest type !! It would have been easier to confirm if your tunic had markings... but since it does not, some of the exposed details do give some interesting information !

So, I am still unable to identify this tunic.

To restate my quandry:

1) The tunic has no NVA markings, only a VEB label in the inside pocket that reads "VEB (B) Kleiderwerk Wernigerode.

2) The collar is short, like on an officer tunic.

3) The placement of the button holes is like an officer tunic, except that it does have a fifth button at the collar and clasps.

I actually think you have ! The tunic is an early 1980s GT one for non profesional soldier ; the collar size is not a problem, must correspond to the era when the tunic was tailored... what we would need to check is whether all earlier type wolly tunics have the same type of collar, and later ones a larger collar... The buttons position clearly shows the tunic is not of later production !!

As for the officer tunics are concerned, I have found this one in my collection ; it has the same buttons positionning as your woly type tunic... but this one is a bit special since it is a former black collar tunic that has been converted to an open collar tunic after 1974.

The buttons positionning is the same as for officer tunics are concerned... you can verify it on your very 1st tunic in this post, the Luftvertidigung one... late 70s, top button BELOW the breast pockets' line !!

After checking, apparently not the same as far as the officer type tunics are concerned... I have early tunics and later ones which both have the top button BELOW the breast pockets' line...

Most of my stuff is packed in boxes in my basement... so it will be difficult for me to check... but I'll keep an eye from now on while surfing the web... and as soon as I dig into my boxes again...

Having said that, it is interesting to note that as time went by, the DDR tried to save as much as possible whenever and wherever they could... which meant, eg, a growing simplification in the production of uniforms. In this sense, what is strange is that the shorter collar tunic should be the later type, since the other one is saving on fabric... it should be the other way round...

Very interestind indeed...

The buttons positionning is the same as for officer tunics are concerned... you can verify it on your very 1st tunic in this post, the Luftvertidigung one... late 70s, top button BELOW the breast pockets' line !!

You are right, sorry I misunderstood you... I had never noticed the collar size difference !!! Very interesting !!!

As for the buttons, on the last picture, the top button is placed ABOVE the breast pockets' line... typical of late 80s production...

Earlier, the top button is sown BELOW the breast pockets' line

A picture that tells you all :

The colar buttons were meant to attach the kragenbinde when the tunic is worn "hoghgeschlossenen" with the claps ... as far as I remember this could be done on duty !

Looks like to be a non professional EM tunic of the GT ; wrong shoulder boards...

those "VEB" tagged ones are seldom seen I would say...

The cuff title denotes the tunic was tailored after 1976 ; af far as I remember, the switch to open collar tunics occured end 1970s/early 1980s for the non officers ; officers gradually switched to the open collar tunics from 1974 on.

You are very welcome...

I cannot see the pictures... aren't they protected inside your account pages ?

I remember in the early 1990s noticing that on brand new gabardine tunics, the collar tabs were never sown ... while they were on all wooly type ones... this puzzled me for quite a while... until I understood that the gabardine tunics were meant to receive either the NCO/EM or the Officer collar tabs... this is why they would not sow them before they knew to whom the tunics were destined.

Hello, I am new at posting pics...Here is the DDR tunic I own. I hope it comes out ok. Thanks

I love this type of tunics with the MfS stamp inside ! I also have a couple and I am so excited each time I handle them !!

I am confused. The original question about the tunic being EM or officer. The tunic appears to be gaberdine and not wool and to be a 4 button open collar tunic. I thought this indicated officer, not EM as was answered. Am I missing something?

Regards,

Robert

Gabardine tunics were worn by officers AND professional NCO or EM !! Non professional NCO and EM wore the wooly type ones !!

The tunic posted in post #1 is definetly a professional EM since the colar tabs are machine sown... the officer shoulder boards are not correct...

If you keep them you would have to replace the collar tabs !

When did the cuff titles come out?

1969, but do not forget the title was only shown on the tunics of the Guard... the Administrative branch of the Stasi did not have it !

Here is the Stasi marking inside the tunic. The colors on the boards and collar tabs are brighter in the picture. In reality they are blood red as they are supposed to be. Thank you again for your attention.

Nice rare MfS marked tunic ! The specific MfS marking was only used for a couple of yrs in early 70s (71-72 from what I know) on dark colar tunics...! Used again in late 70s on light summer uniforms...

And lastly here we have 2 Wach-Rgt-F. Dzierzynski These are wool with rough edges and appear to be old :

The rough edged ones are for the great coats !! Same as for the GT ones !

Thanks ! Yes you are right... maybe because he was appointed general vey late (1982) !!!

Btw, is the sleeve lining also striped on your uniform ??

I like the safe in Mielke's office !!!

My general uniform from early 80s

Thanks for the picture !!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for showing these Andreas , i looked on Ebay and there is a seller selling these .

Heads up guys !

Since he is selling the as such... no problem for me !