Bernd_W

Hello gents

In the second Schleswig War, the Germans wore white armbands to differ from the Danish. The early Freikorps in January 1919 also wore white armbands to differ from the Spartakists. Later they had some with inscriptions onto.

But, what's the purpose for white armbands w/o an inscription in WW1? Are there any official regulations about this?

I have seen pictures of fully dressed stormtroopers with white armbands online:

I have this picture in my collection. It's the RIR 240. I checked the regimental History, and the 3rd battalion was in some resting place in Flanders, at train station Vyfwege in early September 1916.

Kind regards

I would love to lay my hands onto such a nice piece. 

3 hours ago, Stogieman said:

but I checked with some real experts

In their hands?

I hope as a Nazi Britt zombie?

Great pictures.

So a Prussian flamethrower writes to a KuK one. Likely they trained together?

Any idea for what these thin sticks? Looks bit to small for walking sticks. 

10 hours ago, bolewts58 said:

So, it's actually both a WW1 award and a Freikorps award.

Also awarded for border defense in the Ukraine and Belarus against the Russians before (11.) November 1918?

Yes, its possible to bid in the last 10 seconds w/o a sniper tool but you have to be present. But in last <5 second its almost impossible w/o a sniper tool. 

Sniper tools were forbidden for a long time by eBay, but they didnt care. Checked German eBay TOS and it seem its not mentioned anymore. Sure, eBay wants the maximum price, but IMO sniper tools are preventing this in some cases. But for German eBay non commercial sales are w/o a fee now, so eBay dont have a benefit form the maximum price, and a lot of commercial sold stuff is sold via instant buy.

28 minutes ago, Farkas said:

If bid is 40 and I’m bidding 100, I put lots of extra bids in, eg 50,62,70, 81 92 then 100…

I don’t know if it really works but I heard it triggers the sniper bids so why not

IMO this dos not work, eBay uses you last bid. 

If bid is 40 and you bid 100 or a couple bids up till 100, the bid will be 41 and in the last second someone might come and get it for 101.

Sniper tools are used for preventing the ping-pong you play at real hall auctions. If you get outbid and still have time (and money) you might bid again in the name of honor, even if you dont wanted to go that high. It can also be a matter of, in how much cases before you got outbid. All this kind of human behavior is prevented when the sniper tool bids in the last second. This kind of human behavior is quiet common imo, therefore hall auctions have no fixed end time.

4 hours ago, Farkas said:

who wouldn’t know the item is dodgey and thinks the price is good?

If something is described as copies (like the last examples in the topic), its hard not to know.

For most fakes, sold as real or the obvious "I dont know if its real" description, it might be the ignorance. 

4 hours ago, Farkas said:

One seller I watched in the past always used the same ‘sock’ accounts to boost the bidding, often cancelling their highest bid if they pushed it up too far.

Common strategy back then, ten years ago. But these days most bidders use sniper tool and bid in the last second so no one can outbid them. This sticks at least to the more searched after genuin stuff, from what I observed in the last years. Guess it also sticks to the fakes.

No MG, but its a MG-Schießplatz. 

These are mostly other collectors, think of Kujau, Klietmann, Blass. Nobody start to selling copys from the scratch, you need to have the knowledge and know how the collector community works. 

They finance their collection with this. Like other people do by selling high and buying low stuff they didnt even collect, when seeing a cheap piece. All of this behavior is bad for the collectors, but you walk between these people at the shows. 

At least the lock looks period.

9 hours ago, bolewts58 said:

So it's odd that whoever is faking these would create something that IMO never existed in history.

But this is nothing new, think of the EK 1 or 2 fantasy cases sold on eBay every week. IMO this was also some kind of cutlery or whatever case. See the lock. There is a imprint and some damages, looks like there was another lock at some point present there. Likely a lock which were looking too new.

Ein bisschen Spaß muss sein....

1 hour ago, laurentius said:

It seems the Ebay-fakes have permeated to the dealers

 

https://www.weitze.net/militaria/38/Anhalt_Erinnerungszeichen_an_den_90_Geburtstag_der_Herzogin_Witwe_Frederike_zu_Anhalt_Bernburg__442538.html

Its labeled as post 1945.

Some additions:

Order of Philip the Magnanimous Silver Cross at 26.12.1858

In: Hof- und Staats-Handbuch des Grossherzogtums Hessen fur ... 1883
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112032663715&seq=100&q1=Hechler&start=1

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Awarded for    Bravery and military merit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Order_of_St._Henry

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At the time of its founding, the baroque order primarily honored military merit.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militär-St.-Heinrichs-Orden#Ordensstatuten

Hello Gents

Whats the word before Unteroffizier? Abteilung?

Kind regrets and thanks.

1 hour ago, Stogieman said:

given for extreme bravery in war.

It was also awarded for military merit. 

Hello gents,

anybody got additional Information about Paymaster or Quartermaster Wilhelm Hechler in the 2nd Hessian cavalryman regiment?

It became in 1872 the 24th Dragoon regiment. 

Found him as a Paymaster in the "Königlich preussische Ordensliste 1877 pt.3" as a recipient of the non-combatant IC2 1870:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015049878856&seq=1161&q1=Hechler

Kind regrets

16 hours ago, The Prussian said:

You can read it here (download unfortuantely not possible)

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015049878856&view=1up&seq=5

I managed to download the pictures and the plain text. But I cant merge it into a .pdf because these page dont use a proper format like hOCR.
Anyway I merged the pictures into a pdf, but its not searchable. So I provide the _fulltext.txt file in which you can search, and find the page number to go to in the .pdf file or pictures folder
Note that I did not inlude the first and last two pages because they are empty.

pdf:
https://rapidgator.net/file/e72e2e6381b851b3b6c5d991deacc0ee/pdf.zip.html

pictures:
https://rapidgator.net/file/ccfce5785eb7c4abd659f37a5df780d0/images.zip.html

I saw there is plenty of intersting stuff on this side (Thanks for the link), and is pretty easy to dowload the pictures and text. Will look out for a solution to merge it proper. 
But, anyway I cant uploade directly here, because the files are to big.

Here is a Halle one which seems to have a similar design or first letter:

https://www.kpemig.de/Preussen-Schulterstueck-fuer-einen-Hauptmann-der-Landwehr-Inspektion-Halle

Is the Karlsruhe one actually showing a "LK"? For Landwehr?

So the flag received the award and not all or some individuals in a regiment. You should have asked this in first. Language would not be a problem then.

Some examples are mentioned in this books:

1807-1890: https://ordensmuseum.de/Regimentsgeschichten/Standarten1.pdf

1807-1898: https://ordensmuseum.de/Regimentsgeschichten/Standarten2.pdf

Example (Page 6 in first book):

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Auszeichnungen. (Von der alten Standarte übernommen) (ein echtes Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse aus den Beständen des Zeughauses zu Berlin zum Ersaß für das am 10. September 1889 verlorene, zufolge AB. vom 17. Oktober 1889.) KDM 1813/14. — Er. Kx - B. Das am 23. Juni 1840 verliehene Säkular-Standartenband mit der Inschrift: ERRICHTET 1740. F.II. F. W. III. 1840

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Awards. (Taken from the old standard) (a real Iron Cross 1st Class from the holdings of the Armory in Berlin to replace the one lost on September 10, 1889, according to AB. from October 17, 1889.) KDM 1813/14. — He. Kx - B. The secular standard ribbon awarded on June 23, 1840 with the inscription: ERECTED 1740. F.II. F.W. III. 1840

Unfortunately I dont know about WW1 or if it was still done in WW1.

Translated it, but cant find the example.

I guess, you talking about something like this (fictional example)?:

For the capture of Fort Douaumont, Cordt von Brandis received the PLM, the entire regiment received the Iron Cross second class, the officers received the first class and the company commanders received the HOH.

Stuff like this way done in Germany at Regimental anniversaries, but of course not with combat award, but with house orders and stuff like this. And afaik not down to enlisted man level.