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Hello Andy

I was a bit unclear, Sorry.

Wißmar is a small town in the Gießen area.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wißmar

Whats the towns name in your opinion? Wismar or Wissmar?

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In the last picture. Abteilung Nervenkranke - Department of mentally ill Patients

The diagnose is imo "Hysterie kampfunfähig -15-".

Hysteria, incapacitated or unfit for fighting. Likely what was called shellshock.

Dont know about the -15- Might be some code.

Hello Andy,

Its Wismar, Sturmabteilung Roßbach, after Kapp-Putsch related. Its 21.3.20. The date its mentioned in the Text where it's better to read:

That's what I thought, because the Sturmabteilung Roßbach participated in the Kapp-Putsch in Wismar. But now looking at the Town's name, it looks more like Wissmar. Also, the second mentioning in the Text:

The one besides the signature:

But Wißmar would be in the Gießen area, and the Sturmabteilung Roßbach was in the Mecklenburg and Ruhr area during and after the Kapp-Putsch. Not sure if it's a strange writing or another town. And there is also a Wismar/Wißmar in Pomerania. https://gov.genealogy.net/item/show/WISMA2JO73MO

The headquarters of the Arbeitsgemeinschaft Roßbach in Pomerania was at "Gut Sadow, Kreis Pyritz".

Pyritz (Pyrzyce) is ~60km away from Wismar/Wißmar (Wyszomierz, West Pomeranian Voivodeship) in Pomerania. Would be a better match compared to the Gießen one. But its strange, its written with ss and not ß, especially when Roßbach is written with the ß:

It's a Passport, saying he is now a Member of the Sturmabteilung Roßbach.

My guess would be its Lieutenant Koepke, Roßbachs adjutant. 

But I wanted an unbiased answer about the name, because my thoughts are biased. See Wismar vs. Wissmar. Thanks, for asking me about the Town, leads to some thought about Wismar being right. 

If it's not Wismar, I'm not sure about Koepke. Because I think he was present in the Mecklenburg and Ruhr area during this time. Could also be some "Werbeoffizier". It's stamped with a "Briefstempel" from the Sturmabteilung, and the "Briefstempel" is crossed out. But I don't know if they even had regular stamps, especially in this banned and unbanned times.

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Thanks, do you think the Lts name could be Koepke?

Sometimes I think about it would be an easy way to laundry Money for some made Men.

Sure there might be some uniformed collectors, but they are imo more in the price range of buying fake EKs. If you spend a couple grands, you likely do your homework or got fooled by someone like Kujau, who also use the social component for fooling you. It's a little bit different compared with an anonymous eBay offer.

You are right, its not a PLM. My fault, did miss it, because the award did hardly cover 50% of the pictures size. 

That's a legit reason to ask for better pictures which tell what (Sure, a PLM, but what was the description) was sold for how much. The poster's battery or reception level is not so interesting. 

Did a quick scroll through the at German eBay sold PLMs but could not find this cased example.

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A total of 1,091 awards of the Herzog Ernst Medal with clasp “1914” can be identified, almost a third of which were awarded to women and virgins.

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At the same time, a crown was also donated with which the medal could be awarded “in cases of outstanding such merits”.

So I guess the crown is much more scare. 

https://woeschler-orden.de/katalog/archiv/sachsen-altenburg-herzog-ernst-medaille-mit-spange-1914-1er-ordensschnalle

Hello Gents

I'm struggling with the words before Oskar and his last name:

I know it's quite hard and more a guess. But who do you think is this lieutenant?

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You can see this here:

Click on the "Gebote" behind "Preis"

Then click on the top bidders masked username Here: 4***5. Not this is only a "false masked" username, the masked usernames in the final view (two screenshots above) have to be equal.

19 minutes ago, Soderbaum said:

If you can afford to "drink" one Beer every month you can see that he have like eight files on ancestry.de which gives you all the information you are asking for.

9,99€ a Month. So I guess you dont drink Lättöl. 

It's more like a digital forgery-proof expertise. Where it's 100% proof that the piece belongs to the expertise. Not useful for spotting fakes in the wild.

The same Technic, a little less picky, could be useful for identifying fakes. A little less picky means, the used unique details are not so unique how used to identify something as unique, more likely to identify all e.g.  AWS 1870 IC1.

But IMO that is nothing for what you would need the Bosch software. Because the USP of this Software is the depth of detail which make it possible to identify everything as unique.

IMO you could do the little less picky fake identifier software, by training a KI with enough pictures and the knowledge like, what is a hanging nine.

If accelerator mass spectrometry driven radiocarbon dating is getting cheaper, it could be also very interesting. There might be fakes out there which were judged as real for decades. Just think of the Type 22 fakes.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1901540116

But even speaking openly about this, is nothing which makes you friends. This kind of revolutions and also the thoughts about, are not liked by collectors with the state-of-the-art knowledge (which then is partly obsolete) and the then maybe questionable pieces in their collections.

I'm native, so I know what's "Beendet" is.

I asked because you can tell the difference, but not from this screenshot. See:

Ended without any bid:

Ended by the Seller before bidding ended:

Later is the likely when something was sold behind eBays back.

Might be the description. Did it really end without any bid or was it ended before bidding ended?

The Hesse-Darmstadt "Erinnerungsmedaille zur 1. Hochzeit 1894" has a similar ribbon, but I don't know if it's possible, because I don't know at what position you would wear it.

https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/deutsche-staaten/erinnerungsmedaille-zur-1-hochzeit-1894.html

https://www.deutsche-gesellschaft-fuer-ordenskunde.de/DGOWP/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Verl_Liste_1894_Hoch_Medaille_1_Hochzeit_ADLER_.pdf

Most smaller states, with rare award documents, seems to appeal to a smaller collectors' community only, often collectors from the area. For this reason, the prices stay lower.

But colonies are something much more thought after. Pictures and CDVs from there, are in the Freikorps pictures price range, which is also above the smaller states pictures price range.

And here both collection topics came together, colonies and something from the home area.

Hello Andy

Yes, for sure. Only parts of the book are published there. Covering the "Ausmarsch" und  "Rückmarsch" only.

But it seems to be a very rare book, tried to find it with google, most other regimental history can be found in some antiquarian online, but nothing for this book.

So its nice your friend sells it online as pdf.

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Guess its him or his father?

http://www.gfh-biberach.de/Hefte/BC-Heimatkundliche-Blätter-für-den-Kreis-Biberach/J33H2S40.pdf

Part one of the pdf as attachment.

J33H2S40-1-4.pdf

Part two of the pdf as attachment.

J33H2S40-5-7.pdf

Part three of the pdf as attachment.

J33H2S40-8-10.pdf

Part four of the pdf as attachment.

J33H2S40-11-14.pdf

Hello Andy

Thanks for your help/the Information.

Therefore, I was wrong, it's the book which is party quoted here:

https://www.lagis-hessen.de/de/subjects/browse/sourceId/43/sn/qhg

Here are also some parts of the "Rückmarsch":

https://www.lagis-hessen.de/de/subjects/browse/sourceId/45/sn/qhg

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Hello Andy

Thanks for your help/the Information.

I was not aware of a real regimental history. Could you please provide the name and author?

Do you know what is sold on the page you linked? The full real regimental history you quoted?

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Hello Dave Danner

Thanks for the clarification.

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Hello Andy

Thanks for your help.

Is there any real regimental history? Or just the report in  "DIE HESSEN IM WELTKRIEG 1914 - 1918"  I mentioned above?

That Ers.Btl. is another mystery. According to this page: https://wiki.genealogy.net/LIR_118#Namensgebung

it was the name of the whole regiment, at some point, but I guess it's a mistake.

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Ersatz-Bataillon Ldw.-Inf.-Rgt. Nr.118 aufgestellt in Lampertheim, später Darmstadt.

Or do you think, the whole regiment was only one battalion in the end of the war, and only used as spare?

The commander of the battalion was someone whose name ends with "gler".

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Hello Andy

Thanks for the answer.

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34 minutes ago, JohanH said:

The last document seem to be his "criminal record" which states that he's not been commiting any crimes or atleast not been punished for any since it states "keine". 

It's just a certificate for his service time, see the mentioned Schutztruppen. It lists his unit, service time and how he behaved, you will find the similar information in his Militärpass.

A criminal record from the police, which you might need for working in some high secured areas, is something different. 

Hello Andy

Thanks for your post.

May I ask you what MWB is?

Thanks for the link to the regimental history. I was not aware they sell a copy. But I guess I won't find him there, unfortunately there is no real regimental history for the LIR118. Only a report in "DIE HESSEN IM WELTKRIEG 1914 - 1918" which covers the time span from the outbreak of the war till October 1915. See: https://wiki.genealogy.net/LIR_118#Literatur:

I guess it's the report which is partly published here: https://www.lagis-hessen.de/de/subjects/browse/sourceId/43/sn/qhg

Even if they don't mention the book "DIE HESSEN IM WELTKRIEG 1914 - 1918" as a source, it covers the same time span, and it's almost the same number of pages. Might get reprinted as a separate book in 1933,

For me, it makes sense he was a relative new officer, when he got voted as a company leader after the revolution, they wanted to get rid of the old system and would not have voted for a career officer or some other long time ago commissioned officer. 

IMO the signature is the SPD politician Friedrich Vetters, he was a member of the Workers and Soldiers' Council in Gießen, therefore he was a trustworthy person for Workers and Soldiers' Council in Darmstadt, which acted as the highest Hessian Workers and Soldiers' Council.

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