Bill Garvy
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As you can see, it's maker marked "66" on both sides of the ring, although I don't know if this was common for this maker, Freidrich Keller of Oberstein. . .0
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I must have been pretty good this year because I received this double maker marked "66" in 2nd Class. . .
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I'm wondering if the mark on the ring is also "L/56" (Funcke & Bruninghaus), and if so that would make this a rare ensemble, in my opinion anyway. . .0
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maker mark. . . note the welded split on the ring. . .0
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Reverse. . .0
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And yet another. . .0
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Here is the maker mark under the pin. . .0
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For example, here is a "23" maker marked Iron Cross in 1st Class. Note the rounded inner corners, sharp cornices, and low "1939", although the swastika is quite well defined. In my opinion this has a similar frame, but a different core. Secondly, why do we assume this style frame was manufactured by Souval? Couldn't they have just as easily purchased the frames from some other manufacturer?0
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-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "CD800"
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "W"
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "WuS" (Wagner u. S?hne)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "WuS" (Wagner & S?hne)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "III" (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "R" (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "Fr." (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "Fr." (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "S-W" (Sy Wagner)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "Z" (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with non-combatant ribbon, maker marked "IVI" (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with non-combatant ribbon, unmarked
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "KAG" (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, maker marked "ED" (unknown maker)
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, with ribbon, unmarked
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, cased, with ribbon, maker marked "LW"
-Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, cased, with ribbon, maker marked "KO"
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Thank you, Dave! Any idea which type is period manufactured or post war manufactured, or are both considered genuine of period issued crosses?0
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Here is the reverse of the above cross with its broken clasp, sigh, and what I thought to be a typical Souval hinge assembly. . .0
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I think you've touched upon the reason I, and I suspect many other collectors for that matter, have stopped collecting Souval Iron Crosses, becasue there really seems to be no way to tell period manufactured crosses from post-war restrikes. Be that as it may, I still have a couple in my collection that I shall post here for comparison. By the way, David, I was not aware of the two different types of hinges utilized by Souval, so thank you for that valuable information. I would be most interested in seeing an example of the other type than I have posted below. . .0
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That does not appear to be a Souval hinge, in my opinion, although more than one manufacturer utilized that unique frame style with rounded inner corners and those pointy cornices. Interesting cross. . .0
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Begining efforts. . .
-Iron Cross, 1st Class, 1914, cased & marked "We"
-Iron Cross, 1st Class, 1914, marked "800" (silver content) on the pin, vaulted
-Iron Cross, 1st Class, 1914, unmarked "26", B.H. Meyer
. . . more to follow
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Here is an alternate view. It appears they both are flat and wide, but the curl is missing from mine. . .0
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Here is a scan of the clasp. . . Note the split in the seam of the arm. . .0
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Darrell, I don't have a scan of the clasp from the bottom as nicely as you do, but I can make one and post it later. As memory serves, the clasp is indeed quite similar. . .0
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From the front. . . Hope you don't mind this non-Imperial Cross being posted here. . .0
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Here is a Third Reich example of an unmarked "22" for Boerger & Company, Berlin with a similar pin, hinge, and clasp configuration. . .0
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And from the other end of the spectrum, an unmarked example from the same manufacturer. . .
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reverse:
clasp & vaulting:
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I believe they are different manufacturers that happen to have the same last name. . .0
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maker stamp on the reverse. . .0
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Reverse. . .0
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Another example of a Zimmermann envelope of issue. . .0
"800" Iron Cross, 1st Class, 1914
in Germany: All Eras: The Iron Cross
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I thought I would post what I construe as an unusual "800" marked Iron Cross in 1st Class. It is very light with delicate features. The core appears to be copper coated, at first I thought brass, and it is magnetic. Comments welcome. . .
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reverse: