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I often see mentions of medal/casualty rolls for the Brunswick and Hanoverian Waterloo medals but I've never seen these for sale. Can anyone tell me if they do exist and if so where I might find them. Many thanks Mossop

I wonder if anyone could help me with or advise me on how to futher research a group I purchased last year to Wilhelm Kl?pping Obergefreiter with 5./Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 4 / 6 Panzer-Division who was Awarded the Knights Cross on 15.05.43. The documents consisted of his Letter from General congratulating him on Award of RK, EKII, EK1, Pzr badge in bronze and wound badge in silver docs, Promotion document to Uffz, several newspaper clippings about the Award of the RK and a couple of US prisoner discharge docs and of course his Knights Cross. These documents have quite alot of dates from 1941-43 but I have nothing after his Promotion to Uffz on 1/11/43 and I'd really like to find out any more details; was he wounded again, promoted futher, got any more Awards etc. Could anyone suggest where I might find out futher details. I've checked online about his unit and purchased a really good book on 6th Panzer Division but it would be great to find out more about this brave fellow. Many thanks Mossop

Just heard from my researcher in South Africa and she is convinced that Sekonde-Lieutenant Carstensen is the same Officer of the Cape Mounted Rifles who's medal I have - a great result!. Among other things she's found his death certificate which mentions him serving in the CMR's as well as previously serving in the Prussian Artillery. Thanks everyone for your help in getting the German information. For display purposes (as he may well not have got the medal) I'm going to get a 1870-71 War medal but I wonder if anyone could tell me which Army Schleswig-Holsteinisches Feld-Artillerie-Regiment Nr. 9 served in so that I can work out what Bars he would have got. I've checked online but not alot is coming up. Many thanks Mossop

Hi Glenn Well he must have been one of these Muller's so if none have Awards at least this doesn't complicate things and start wishful thinking from me (unless of course he is Muller III!). I guess some large battle were still to come though! Many thanks for checking this out. Regards Mossop

Shame you couldn't find him Dave but thanks for checking him out anyway. I'll keep my fingers crossed that Glenn has some luck. Again thank you both for taking the time to look at this for me. Regards Mossop

Wow Dave thats some amount of references you have available to you - thanks for letting me know and for your offer. Great stuff!!! Regards Justin

Thats great Glenn, I'll keep my fingers crossed that you can see him. Many thanks Justin

Thanks for the offer to pass on those Ebay link Chris - to be honest, although it would be really nice to find if Muller could be identified I'm not really wanting go to such an expense (probably would need them again) Dave thaks for taking the time to look for Muller, looks like this is going to be pretty tough to research (man and unit)- it looks like he's left the service by 1819 All really interesting posts! Regards Justin

Hi Bob/Glenn I did think I might have a bit of trouble finding anything on Muller (Muller with Umlaut), not least because of the common name and he is a straight Leutnant. To be honest I mainly wanted to see if he was entitled to any medals. I have some paperwork of his - Patent, Letter from French city of Noyon,where this officer was city commander - details about the suffering of the French city through German troops 1816. letter with detailed descriptions of this officers service and battles by his CO Oberstleutnant Von Welling battles of: tz,Rhemis,Ligny and Waterloo (Belle Alliance) and others.. - 1863. letter for his 50th year of being officer -studies, letters, so I've a fair amount already but its always good to be able to confirm things in Army lists etc. As far as his Regiment is concerned I've just been looking at general histories, so although I'm not finding much specific I'm still getting an idea of the Campaigns his Regt were taking part in. For me this isn't prority research (like Carstensen) but its really good to get advice not to expect too much more. Regards Mossop

Hi Glenn Its Second Lieutenant Nicolas Muller of 5.Kurm?rkischen Landwehr Infantry Regiment. I've been trying to do a little research (over time) into his Regiments involments at Rhemis,Ligny, Belle Alliance. but presumed I'd not be able to research him. Regards Mossop

Many thanks for the explanations on this Bob and Glenn, its much appreciated. As far as 19th century is concerned I'm more used to researching British Military/Navy where their are in most cases detailed Service records available but I'm pretty much in the dark as far as researching Prussian/States research is concerned. Regards Mossop

How long does the Ranglisten go back, can you for example look for details of an Officer in the Napoleonic Wars? Regards Mossop

Hi Bob Ah - no problem, this will solve me having to say to my SA researcher that I don't need their help after all. Since Carstensen was with one of the Major Regiments in SA I think I've a good chance finding something. That is some bit or research by Glenn - re your grandfather. So the lack of papers isn't because they were not kept but more to do with the archives being destroyed. I have a WWII German Soldier I was wanting to research at some point also (NCO knights cross winner) - so all this info your giving me is really useful. I did think "Carstensen" sounded more Danish so its nice to have it confirmed. So we have a Danish German fighting in South African unit - I wonder where this will go next! Regards Justin Regards Mossop

hi Chris Yes there were quite a few all German units made up of settlers that fought in the Cape Frontier Wars and several well known personalities in the Zulu War were ex German Army but Carstensen was new to me - I guess well known at the time but he has been lost from history over time. I found mention of him in action in several period books about the 'Gun War' in Basutoland during 1880/81. I've had Carstensen's medal for years but until the other week I'd never come accross any details of anyone by this name Certainly some interesting stories. Regards Mossop

Hi Bob Many thanks for you explanation and for asking your SA researcher about this. I'm pretty sure I have the right man but my problem is that their were two Carstensen's in the Cape Mounted Yeomanry at the same time and both joined the same year. One was a Lieutenant who resigned in 1882, his initials were 'A H' and this is the man I'm looking at - and that I think is the Officer Glenn found. The other who's initials is 'H' supposedly served as a Sgt 1880/81 but went on to become a Major by 1905. I have Lt A. Carstensens Campaign medal for the Zulu War of 1879, so it would be really quite something to find that he won the Iron Cross aswell! If I can establish the initials of the Prussian Artillery Lieut I can solve my problem. I need to confirm my 'supposedly'! Regards Mossop

Hi Glenn Thanks so much for checking this out for me its much more than I expected Certainly seems like this is the same guy I'm after as everything fits with what I've found about his later service. Was the initials or first names the same? - I've got a researcher in South Africa checking the South Africa Records so I will pass on this information Regards Mossop

On the Iron Cross forum I'd made a post concerning the following Prussian Officer but This research forum I guess would be more suited to finding out details of the man himself. Maybe someone has access to the Rangeliste for the Franco Prussian War period, if so could you check out the following. The soldiers name is A. Carstensen - a lieutenant of Artillery (he supposedly served at Metz) but I wanted to confirm this. I've later picked him up in the Cape Mounted Rifles in the 1880's as a Lieutenant. The South African Archives have reference to a Adolf Heinrich Carstensen who may be the same man Any help would be much appreciated Mossop

I wonder if anyone can help me, I'm trying to find out if lists of recipients of the Iron Cross 1870 exist and if so where I could view them. I'm trying to find out if a soldier by the name of A. Carstensen - a lieutenant of Artillery I think was Awarded one. Not sure which Class ( it was supposedly won at Metz.) Any help would be much appreciated Mossop