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    1. Hi Glenn,

      yes.

      And he was in 1914 General der Pioniere too, but with the rank Generalleutnant.

      Correct appointment:

      Chef des Ingenieur- und Pionierkorps und Generalinspekteur der Festungen.

      Regards

      Uwe

      I think that von Beseler had the same position some years before. Quite a figure. I have a picture of his Generalkommando showing off their new decorations for taking Antwerp on the steps of the City Hall of Ghent, grand-pop and about 17 others the EK II and EK I, I think; von Beseler his pour le Merite.

      Bob Lembke

    2. rast;

      Tremendous! I have decided to shift my writing schedule, and complete a book about my father and perhaps my grand-father before I come out with a Flammenwerfer book or two.

      My father's other serious wound was on Dead Man's Hill at Verdun on 28. 12. 16. He saved the life of a German officer minutes before he and his entire Flamm=Trupp were wounded by the burst of a French 75 shell, the same agent of mayhem that blew the officer's hand off minutes before. I have pages of material written by the officer describing the action, his wound, and my father saving him. I sent an author of a book about the fighting on Mort=Homme material from my father from hospital, a letter that mentioned the incident, and names the officer (mis-spelt), and his unit (correct). I also now have a photo of this officer with his fellow officers in 1918; he is hiding the stump of his right hand behind his back, probably not to worry the wives and sweet-hearts of the other officers.

      So I have enought material to write 20 interesting pages (or 50 boring pages) on this attack, and these matters. I also have a piece of my father's left arm bone knocked off on that day, in a little labeled envelope seemingly made up by the surgeon who gave it to him. (Eat your heart out, militaria collectors!)

      So I want to understand my father's other serious wounding better. Thanks for all this help, guys.

      Bob Lembke

    3. Pegasus;

      Very impressive!

      As you must know a lot about Freikorps, could you suggest source material on Major von Stephani's "Potsdam Regiment" or "Freikorps Potsdam"? Also Major von Stephani himself, and the fighting at the Vorwart building in January 1919? My father took part in that fight with that Freikorps. I have some oral history.

      Also, any participation in the later round of fighting between Freikorps Potsdam and the Sparticists that occured a couple on months later? My father also seems to have participated in that, but my oral history from that period is not as dramatic, more cordoning off city areas in revolt and preventing arms and ammunition from being smuggled in.

      Bob Lembke

    4. Bob,

      a related note I came across in one of Otto Lais' books on the Baden Regiment 169.

      It is mentioned in an Order from December 14, 1917:

      "This time the Raid will be executed with out flamethrowers (Flammwerfer) since we lost (Totalausfall) the entire Flammwerfertrupps (from Div. Pi. Komp. 104) in the last three missions (Stosstruppunternehmen)."

      original text:

      "Das Unternehmen wird diesmal ohne Flammenwerfer durchgef?hrt, da bei den letzten drei grossen Unternehmungen die Verluste der Flammenwerfertrupps hundertprozentig waren.

      Angeforderte und zugesagte Brandr?hren zur ausr?ucherung der feindlichen Unterst?nde wurden nicht zeitlich geliefert. Was sich empfindlich beim Ablauf des Unternehmens bemerkbar machte."

      Here is the link to the thread I started on a trench raid:

      http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2116...mp;#entry201790

      Regards, Hardy

      Hardy!

      Yes, I have been closely following your interesting thread on the raid.

      The citation you gave is very interesting and might be historically important (to my FW tunnel-vision). Of particular interest is some information in the English translation, the information about 104. Pionier=Kompagnie, which is not in the German citation. Do you have information that 104. P=K had FW in December 1917? This is very interesting and surprising. Very early in the war all FW seem to have been taken from the few Pionier=Abteilungen that had them at the beginning of the war. During the war one or more of the storm battalions had their own small FW detachments, but this in a mysterious topic. In the last months of the war some FW were supposed to be distributed to pionier field companies, but that is not really understood, IMHO. A pioneer unit not controlled by Major Dr. Reddemann having FW in December 1917 would be quite interesting.

      Can you post more of this interesting material?

      Many thanks!

      Bob Lembke

    5. The locations should be:

      "Fort de Witry" and "Nogent" (Nogent l'Abesse), both eastnortheast of and close to Reims.

      "Rethel" and "Neuflize", right in the middle of the "Lause-Champagne".

      "Giret" = "Givet" in that little French thorn that stabs into Belgium. "Flohimont" is a small village 2 km south of Givet.

      The I. Bavarian army corps was in the area of Rethel/Neuflize.

      Excellent, rast! Many thanks.

      I have a fairly good reference library (but almost nothing specifically Bavarian; I am a died-in-the-wool Sau=Preuss, both ethnically and in research interests), but I don't think I have anything giving an overview of the actions of the bav. I. Armeekorps as of that date. I do not have the excessively rare Band 14, Der Weltkrieg 1914 bis 1918. Can any kind soul aim me at a promising source? I probably can figure out the components of the army corps and see if I can scratch up any unit histories; our friend Patrick has a fair number of Bavarian units in his collection.

      The Flammenwerfer attack of 1. 10. 18. was clearly a fiasco, as every Flamm=Pionier was wounded. Pop said that as they advanced across no-mans-land a short German gas shell burst amongst them. The history of the FW units that late in the war are fragmentary, and contain nothing on this fighting. My father's comment that: "The Baverians were very content with us" suggests that they carried out more successful attacks at that location before 1. 10. 18. Again, any leads here are happily anticipated.

      I guess that there was a Lazarett at Flohimont. Pop was very angry; the hospital was full and they, partially or completely blind, were left lying on the lawn and stripped of their uniforms for cleaning, but they were not returned, so they were very cold. His letter from that Lazarett was his angryist of the war. Plus, the hospital authorities tried to put them (Pioniere) to work on a construction project, with gassed eyes!

      Bob Lembke

    6. Komtur,

      the same photograph is used in the Biblio Generals' series so I assume it is v. Feldmann.

      Regards

      Glenn

      Might it be possible that General von Feldmann was Jewish? I hope it is not a non-PC question. I think I know of another Imperial general that supposedly was Jewish. Certainly some Jewish families assimilated very deeply, converted to Christianity, etc.

      Bob Lembke

    7. Dear Pals;

      I am asking to see if your collective wisdom can help me pin down the circumstances of my father's last wound in France. I have a variety of clues, from his Militaer=Pass, letters, and a bit of family oral history. Perhaps I can also pin down his locations in the prior month. I will try to put this together as a time-line, with geographic clues at the different points in time. This is all in the area of Reims, where his Flammenwerfer=Kompagnie was fighting. Most of this information is from material written in Suetterlin micro-script, so some actual spelling night be off.

      August 22, 1918 - Pop was in the vicinity of "Fort Vitrey" and "Royent", from a letter.

      September 4 & 11, 1918 - Near "Rethel" and a train station near "Neufline".

      October 1, 1918 - Engaged in an attack or a counterattack with a Bavarian unit. Only two troops of Flammen=Pioniere, 16 men, involved (he commented that it probably was too few); 14 are "gas-sick", mostly blinded by a German gas-shell in no man's land, two men lightly wounded. Evacuated by auto to a train; not sure which day.

      October 6, 1918 - Letter to his father written this day; had been evacuated by train to "Giret"; his Militaer=Pass suggested that he entered the (military hospital) at "Flohimont" on October 3, 1918. He wrote: "The Bavarians were very contented with us.", which indicates that on the 1st or earlier they had conducted a useful flame attack with a Bavarian unit. He told me that he was blinded, but only for three days, that his whole Trupp was blinded, and three never regained their sight. But he did not mention being blinded in his letters to his father.

      Any of this suggest anything to anyone? As you must know, the documentation and the histories of the last days of the war is fragmentary on the German side.

      Bob Lembke

    8. Just wondering, was something worn under these to keep the troops warm? There must have been something as it does get cold up in the Alps.

      ~TS

      I know very little about German uniforms, but have done a fair amount of climbing in the Swiss, French, and Slovene Alps. The modern version of this garment would be made in Gortex® or a similar material, which of course is wonderful technically. But a tightly woven fabric could work fairly well. It has two purposes; to shed rain, which can easily be deadly, if it is followed by a freeze (At a good altitude, over 10,000', it usually can never rain, as it is too cold, but I would imagine that most Alpine warfare was at lower altitudes, where it could rain in the day and freeze at night. In an Alpine style climb if the temperature starts rising toward freezing it usually is a great cause for alarm, as the surface becomes sloppy and dangerous, and, surprisingly, in the brilliant high-altitude sun on white ice or snow, it is absolutely roasting, blazing hot if the temp rises to say 25 degrees Fahrenheit.)

      The other purpose is to retain heat, especially in a windy situation. Although the garment itself would not be considered "warm", for its weight it holds in a lot of body heat. The whole game in chosing Alpine gear of any sort is looking very carefully at weight vs. utility, as you have to carry everything over or up some difficult terrain, and perhaps at altitude where the thin air is a factor. This is especially important in a strong wind; the garment works as a "wind-breaker".

      Your Windjacke seems roomy. I almost always carried a red Gortex® wind jacket rolled tightly and put in a small red bag. Although I rarely wore it, it only weighed a few ounces and could be a life saver. If you are moving and climbing I generally only wore a wool shirt at -15 or -20 degrees Centigrade (5 or -4 degrees Fahrenheit) and was very comfortable, but if you stop for more than a minute, say at the summit, you chill quickly, especially if you have sweated. I would usually pull out a light fleece jacket, but the wind jacket would be another option, and both in severe situations. In my craziest climb, Dom (highest mountain within Switzerland), in a storm, we stopped perhaps three times for 2-3 minutes, and 10-15 minutes on the summit, during a climb and decent of 19-20 hours, aside from a time on the descent when I had to huddle on a rock slab when rappeling down a rock face while my guide had to climb back up to free our rappeling rope, which had gotten wedged in a crack. (Very uncomfortable and dangerous, little slab pitched about 45 degrees, rock-fall from Tony climbing back up overhead, not a great rest-stop.)

      My shell or wind-jacket was very oversized, almost clown-like, as in a jam it had to fit over everything you had on, and in a real jam over all your clothes, and possibly even a pack. In the Alpine style of climbing you carry a small pack for certain essencials and a few safety items, not a monsterous camping pack; you are not going to camp anywhere, unless in a big jam, and a large jacket might get over it. Yours is roomy also.

      I love to talk about myself, when not writing about my father and grand-father, but I thought that this might give a bit of a grasp of the Alpine enviroment, and the utility of such a garment in it.

      Bob Lembke

    9. This is from the "tank side". - War diary of Sturm-Panzerkampfwagen-Abt. 1.

      rast;

      I have read a good number of German sources, but I don't even know if I have heard of someone accessing German war diaries, although I think I have seen citations of war diaries on the level of a division, I believe.

      I believe I have read English, Australian, Canadian, and French war diaries, I believe. Are some of these German war diaries found in German archives?

      Two or three years ago I went on the web-site of the Library of the Bundeswehr Historical Section (this is all from memory), and it said to write them, do not e-mail, so, with a bit of pain, I wrote a two-page letter in my mediocre German asking about resources, access to outsiders, etc. I never got a response. Are they a resource? Do they have an on-line catalog?

      Can you say where you found this war-diary?

      Bob Lembke

    10. On February 11th, 1918, a first refurbished captured Mk.IV arrived at Doncourt training ground of Sturmbataillon 5 (Rohr) for testing. Already on February 12th, Major Reddemann, CO of the flame thrower regiment, conducted an exercise with this vehicle. He sat in the tank while it was subjected to a flame attack. - Reddemann observed that he quickly ran out of oxygen and that the oil and grease on the tank quickly catched fire. As a consequence, he hurriedly evacuated the vehicle.

      Hi, "rast";

      Very interesting. My father only mentioned Reddemann twice in his letters (the ones that I have), he was near him only for a few days total, but his mention of him clearly indicates that Reddemann was a take-charge leader, or at least manager.

      That is a great anecdote. I know and possess much of the documention of the Flammenwerfer (FW) effort from the FW side, so I would guess that story is from a different sort of source, perhaps from a tank or S=B Rohr source. Are you able to share the source?

      The story is a bit like the story about how, in an early test of poison gas, Fritz Haber and Colonel Bauer galloped thru the gas cloud, not really good for man or horse. I gather they were poisoned a bit. Bauer was also involved in the FW effort, and had good things to say about Reddemann.

      Bob Lembke

      Bob Lembke

    11. Jean Louis Lacarde died about three years ago - while working on a book about "La Panzerwaffe 1918", which remained unfinished. May he rest in peace. - Regarding the German tank formations, they belonged to the "Kraftfahrtruppen" (motor transport service). The detachments thus had "Kraftfahrer" and "Waffenpersonal" (weapons personnel), the latter drawn mainly from artillery (for the guns), infantry or machine gun units.

      Interestingly, the commander of the detachments was an engineer captain, as was his deputy. The detachments had five Lieutenants as tank commanders (theoretically Kraftfahrers, but in reality a mix of everything), one artillery officer and one machine gun officer (both lieutenants as well).

      The replacement unit was the Kraftfahr-Ersatz-Abteilung 1 at Berlin-Sch?neberg. Thus uniforms with Kraftfahrer "K" on the shoulder straps and machine gun sharpshooter badge on the arm together with Prussian guard lace on the collar were not uncommon.

      It is interesting that Lacarde has passed away. I wrote the publisher of his storm troop book, who self-described as being based in a little village who only got to a bank a few times a year, asking for Lacarde's address, so I could send him some material (the book contains a request for topical material from the readers), and the publisher said that Lacarde really didn't like people to have his address, and that I could send material to him, the publisher, instead. Hmmm!

      The strong connection to the Pioniere is not surprising. One of their traditional roles was the testing of new weapons, even ones you would not connect with the pioneers. For example, the predecessor unit to Sturm=Bataillon Nr. 5 (Rohr) , which had an important role in training the tank Abteilungen, Detachment Caslow, was a pioneer unit formed to test a new Krupp 37 mm infantry gun, which also was equipped with a special gun-shield; Caslow was a Pionier=Offizier as well. As to the Litzen, the Prussian Guard lace, Storm Battalion Rohr was, I believe, authorized to wear it, although they were not really a guards unit; perhaps the same honor was extended to the fledgling tank units.

      My father trained in captured Mark IVs for a week, but only to build confidence in troops that were to fight tanks, mainly with geballtne Ladnungen, large explosive charges. The German A7Vs were at one time intended to carry one or two light flame throwers, although I have never heard that this was actually done. (If this is true, please sound off.) The Flammenwerfer could be an effective anti-tank weapon if the tank could be approached from the rear; the crews were warned not to try to take a tank from the front. I have an interesting account of a tank being destroyed that way; blasts of flame and smoke from the rear from a little distance (the units of the period had a range of about 80-90 feet) probably drive bearing gun crews from their weapons, plus providing good cover; the crew then rushed up to the tank and fired directly into an orifice, probably a gun slit, and finished the tank off. I don't think that this was done many times.

      Bob Lembke

    12. Bob,

      Unfortunately, the ink stamp on the document is not completely legible. You can easily read "Garde Reserve Pionier Regiment", but there may have been more information on the bottom of the stamping. There are no other signatures on the document, but I did notice that what looks like the word "stelle" is inked in below where it says Regimentsf?hrer, so perhaps he was signing as a temporary commander. I will post the document later this week.

      Chip

      The posting would be great. I will be able to compare the G=R=P=R stamp to a number of examples that I have (I believe that I counted 11 transfers from one unit to another by my father during the war; most were into, out of, or berween different formations of G=R=P=R, so I have a good number of examples; and in addition the copy of another GRPR Pass that I happily have), and this may enable us to "read" parts of the stamp that are not visible. We may find that only the regimental stamp was round, and the company Feldwebel used a square stamp to stamp a company action. Possibly each Feldwebel also had a regimental stamp. The GRPR battalions do not seem to have had a lot of functions, as far as I can tell. I am a bit tentative here; I have not looked at my GRPR Paesse in a year or two.

      I blush to admit that I have never posted an image, mostly because I never got up to speed on digital photography, Photo-shop-type manipulation, etc. I just finally got a digital camera, so I hope to get into this. I have been eagerly hoping that the document would be posted, but felt churlish to ask.

      Bob Lembke

    13. have you read the exerpt I posted in Chris' Sturmbataillon Rohr thread: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13899&hl= it names a few members of the 1. Maschinengewehrkompanie SB 5 as well as the Kompanief?hrer Leutnant Priess.

      Hardy

      Yes, Hardy; I have extracted their names and other infp and put them in my roster, which is very small, as I have not gotten to putting von Schwerin's names in. Thanks for the information.

      Bob Lembke

    14. Hi, Chris and Chip;

      My head is spinning a bit here on a couple of matters. You both have been posting details about this very interesting award document, about a Flamm=Pionier working with S=B Nr. 16. I guess that one of you has the original and one a copy. We all are talking about the same document?

      I guess that the raid (200 men, some S=B 16, MW, 8 FW) occurred on Nov. 10, 1917, and someone involved recommended the recepient for the EK II, it had to be approved at the regimental or divisional level (I don't know these regulations at all), and at some stage the document was sent to G=R=P=R for stamping, and giving it out, along with the medal itself and the usual hearty handshake. The document was filled out and dated Nov. 22, 1917. OK?

      8 FW is a typical number of FW used by the typical G=R=P=R Flamm=Zug in a combat situation. I think later in the war each flame company had one Zug modified for loan to storm battalions, with 2 more FW and perhaps less MGs. Sometimes a company was sent out, and the attack might have 32 FW. In the biggest FW attack, three companies were sent to Russia, and 130 light FW and 24 heavy ones were employed in the storm.

      Is the G=R=P=R stamp at the company, battalion, or regimental level? Is there also a G=R=P=R signature, as well as Pistorius?

      These details are interesting, and offer clues to how these units were formed and operated.

      If someone gives me some idea where this raid occurred, I can poke about and see what I have. I only have a few German regimental histories; having been tipped off about the on-line French regimental histories, I have read about 70 in the last three weeks, I have (with a few duplicates) about 110 Reichsarchiv histories, and am building a variety of other organized sets of data, other time-lines, spreadsheets, etc. But I don't have anything at hand to readily tell me where 26. Landwehr Division was on Nov. 10, 1917. Give me a lead and I will sniff about. Often I also have testimony from the French or Brits who faced these attacks.

      Bob Lembke

    15. Hi, Chris;

      the Rohr list is availible for free online. Why do you think it is incomplete?

      Can you give me the e-mail address? I would like to compare it carefully to von Schwerin's death list to see if they are the same. Ditto with the death list that someone reported seeing on e-Bay two weeks ago.

      Reading von Schwerin's account of how his book got to be written, some comrades were getting together, and he borrowed Rohr's diary from his widow and wrote the little book. This was about 20 years after the events. I think in places he says things like "If I remember correctly ----" (not a real quote). If you look at the death list it seems that the death list for different companies contain different items for each lost soldier. This indicates that the list did not come from one central master list, but from different sources, perhaps from the recollections of former company commanders, usw. All of these factors suggests a high probability of incompleteness.

      wasnt Reddemann stationed at the Kaisers HQ? No, but he was required to report monthly, either in person or in writing, to the OHL, on the activities and actions fought by the G=R=P=R in the previous month. I think he either formally reported to or looked up Oberst Bauer, who was in charge of hi-tech things for the OHL, and who mentions him in a very favorable fashion in his memoirs. In order to perform this duty Reddemann wrote a report on each of the 653 flame engagements that G=R=P=R and its predecessor units conducted. As the flame troops lost, on average, one man per flame attack, I would imagine that the death information was included in the combat report. Reddemann was a published scientist already, and the fact that he edited two scientific journals thruought the war gives an idea as to the way his head worked. I would not put too much value in him editing and still being a fire director. Max Bayer fought from 1914 to his death in FRONTLINE units... still managed to edit three books and be the head of the german Boyscout association.... how much he actually DID in this period is another question. I threw that in for effect, but I imagine that Reddemann had little to do with the Leipzig Fire Department during the war, aside from raiding it's manpower. He also recruited at least one other fire director from another city, and that guy also kept his job throughout the war. I would suspect that German law held your job for you while a reservist was on active duty.

      I know you dont like von Schwerin because he does not mention FW enough. I dont like him because he does not mention my Leutnant. d.Res. at all... agreed his book is thin... but its all we have. The man should be thanked for producing it, without it we would have nothing. I find Reddemanns book to be just as thin and "un-juicy". I don't dislike von Schwerin, but it is frustrating that the history he wrote is so "thin", as you put it. His seemingly large noble family seem to have been very literary, by the evidence of their many books found in German catalogs and on ZVAB. I am even more frustrated with the "thinness" of Reddemann's writings, considering that he published several books (One in print from about 1910 to 1943!) and had such great organized material at hand. Reddemann's writings on the war that I have found are short or shorter and often repeat the same mantras, like the "Greek Fire" stuff. I have a copy of an interesting 18 page private letter that he wrote in the 1920's.

      Why don't we cooperate and see if the three S=B Rohr death lists are the same? I have put the entire G=R=P=R death list in my unit roster, it is the backbone of the resource, sadly.

      Some Regt histories are not much better.

      Amen! I have read about 70 French regimental histories in the last 2-3 weeks, a task made easier by the fact that many were perhaps 8 pages long, and often containing little but patriotic fluff. It is amazing that, when men of most countries are shot dead they say things like: Ohh, poop!" and die, but Frenchmen usually give well-crafted patriotic speeches, good grammar, always encouraging his comrades to charge forward and finish the job, and usually then adding other thoughts, like: "Tell my mother that I died happy; dying for my country. Vive La France!" (a very popular speechlet), or, more unusually: "I am now going off on that long journey." I have found 22 page long German histories, although most are fairly substantial.

    16. Hardy;

      Have you been following the recent info on S=B 16 in the current thread "Sturmbataillone Book"?

      However, one "blank"; I thought I had found something on S=B 16 in a French regimental history that I read this morning, but I now realize that it was S=B Nr. 2.

      Have you looked in the French storm troop book? Has anyone seen this book for a reasonable price? I promised to buy someone a copy, but could only find them at about $80, which was rediculous. I got a copy directly from the publisher. I think that his first printing was 500 copies. I had some exchange with the publisher, who seemed a bit of an odd duck, or possibly a bit dodgy.

      The document that Chip has mentioned seems quite interesting, and may sort out some aspects of the FW question. His mention of the stamp is interesting. A study of a Pass of a machine gunner in S=B Rohr, which I am fortunate to have (a copy), has hinted at where S=B Rohr got their machine gunners from, based on the nature of the inked stamps in the Pass.

      Bob Lembke

    17. Hi,

      I have the von schwerin book on CD, does anyone know of any other books out there that deal with SB Rohr?

      Thanks

      Chris

      Das Ehrenbuch der deutschen Pioniere has an article of some length about S=B Rohr, I believe.

      Someone mentioned a death list for S=B Rohr Being on E-bay. Is that the one in Graf von Schwerin's book? The latter may be very incomplete, given the paupacy of his materials, when his book was written, and possibly his mentality. (What I mean here might be suggested by the fact that Major Dr. Reddemann found time to edit two scientific journals thru the entire war, while managing the entire german flame effort, and keeping his job as fire director of Leipzig, although I doubt that he was teetering on ladders during this period.) Even a casual examination of von Schwerin's death list indicates that different sections seem to have come from different sources, not a good sign for its completeness.

      Bob Lembke

    18. Chris;

      Nothing on Nov. 10, 1917, as far as I know. However, if an attack was so unimportant that Major Dr. Reddemann was not inspired to mention it in his several writings, and no flame troopers died, I might not have a record of it. The 6th Company does not seem to have been active at this time. On Nov. 12, 1917 the 3rd and 7th Companies conducted a major FW attack in Russia with 64 FW. later in the month there were one or more FW attacks on Mt. Tomba in Italy. Are we speaking of the 6th Company?

      Incidentally, about late 1915 early 1916 the numbering of the flame companies started at 9 Coy, 10 Coy, etc., and then shifted to 1 Coy, 2 Coy, etc. Early in 1916 the then flame battalion had nine field/flame companies, a number that Reddemann admitted was inconvenient.

      Bob Lembke

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