lilo

Hello Hunyadi / Enzo,

Thank you both for the very precious information supplied !

Enzo

1) Can you confirm that what you call 'Kriegsdekoration' is that with the 'GOLD WREATH' around the rays of the breast star (with and without swords) of which I posted above a photo ?

2) You also mentioned the 'KD' to the Star : what class is the 'KD' ?

I apologise for these stupid questions but the Orders of the A-H Monarchy are not my area of expertise.

Thanks again very much

All the best

Lilo

Hello,

Below I have attached a photo containing 2 models/types of the Order of franz Joseph (the 2nd model with and without swords).

What I would like to know are :

1) When (the exact year) was the 2nd type/model was instituited ?

2) Where the 'swords' introduced ONLY (i.e. NOT before) from 1915 ?

Awaiting to hear from you again

All the Best

Lilo

Hello Lilo

I believe that 6 is the Order of St. Gregory the Great from the Vatican.

all the best

Ivan

Hello Mike / Ivan

thank you both for your information / guess !

Ivan,

do you retain that the SHAPE of Both the 'silver star' (that is under the enamelled Cross) and of the same enamelled Cross are a little different from the usual of what you have identified as the Vatican Order ?

In other words I think that although at a first seeing of the breast Star in exame it could appear that of the Order of St. Gregory, indeed there are little differences that you the same can see confronting the star worn by Slatin in the photo and that I attached below, isn't it ?? What do you think ??

All the Best

Lilo

Hello Dave,

Thank you very much for your information : this put forward my search work well above my hope !

1) Question :

I'm sorry but as German Imperial Orders are not my area I must ask you a precisation : Was the 'Greifen-Orden' that belonging to the Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin ?

To recapitulate, and to see if I have well understood the Orders in the below attached photo, they are :

1) Turkish, Order of Mejidie;

2) Imperial Austria, Order of Franz Joseph;

3) Turkish, Order of Osmanieh;

4) Italy, Order of St. Maurizio & Lazzaro;

5) Danimark, Dannebrog;

6) ???

7) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Greifen-Orden;

8) W?rttemberg, Friedrichs-Orden;

9) Saxe-Weimar, Order of the White Falcon;

10) British, St. Michael & St. George.

Am I correct or not ??

Please let me know

All the Best

Lilo

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Hi Wild Card

Ok, I thought that you were in posses of another photo of Slatin from which I could take some more particulars on the Orders He wear. From this my last request.

Now I understand that is the same photo I posted before, so no need to send it again.

Thanks again for your help and patience : both very much appreciated.

All the Best

Lilo

Hi Wild Card

Many thanks for your comments about Slatin and for your guess about the Saxe-Weimar Order.

As I'm trying to reconstruite the full medal entitlement of Slatin, it should be VERY USEFUL for me if you can post the complete photo of Slatin but in the Highest resolution you have.

If you need of my email adrress because it is too large to post, please don't esitate to let me know.

Awaiting to hear from you again

All the Best

Lilo

Hi All,

Many thanks to All for the great help given !

I have just found the photo below attached. It is that of Sir Rudolf Anton Carl von Slatin (1857-1932).

It looks like to wear some Prussian/German Order (??).

Is it possible to verify if He received the Black Eagle, Red Eagle and which other Imperial German award did He received ?

Many Thanks

All the Best

Lilo

Hi All

and thanks for the help given.

Is it too much to ask if another British recipient : - Admiral Rosslyn Erskine Erskine-Wemyss, 1st Baron Wester Wemyss (1864 -1933) - did or Not received the Prussian Order of Red Eagle ?

Thanks again very much

All the Best

Lilo

Hello both Wild Card and Stijn David,

Many thanks for your very prompt and useful confirmation : I have much appreciated your informations !

Wild Card

Can you please let me know the exact date of award of the Black Eagle for both Connaught (father + son) ?

David some precisations, please:

1) I assume that 'R.A.O.' is the Red Eagle Order, ISN'T ?

2) So, all the persons that received the Black Eagle Order automatically received the Red Eagle order (1st class) but this last Order was not recorded in the official lists, Have I well understood ??

3) When the Black Eagle was awarded, does the recipient received the 1st class of the Red Eagle in the SAME DATE (of the Black Eagle) or was it issued in a different time (may be at a later date??) ?

Again many thanks for your help

All the Best

Lilo

Hello All,

I would like to have confirmed - if this is of no much trouble to you - the award of the following Orders:

- Prussia, Black Eagle

- Prussia, Red Eagle

to the Prince Arthur Frederick Patrick Albert of Connaught 1883-1938 - (N.B. : He is the son of the more famous and 3^rd son of Queen Victoria, Field Marshal Arthur William Patrick Albert, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn 1850-1942).

I know that Arthur Frederick Patrick Albert Prince of Connaught 1883-1938 was Duke of Saxony, Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, with the style of His Royal Highness (H.R.H. Prince Arthur of Connaught) [heir to the Duchy of Connaught, but preceded his father in death] [German titles discontinued 17 July 1917]. During WW1 He held the rank of Major in the British Army.

Last, His father the Duke of Connaught (1850-1942) was the uncle of the Prussian Kaiser Wilhelm II and as such received for sure the 2 Orders in question.

Awaiting to hear from you again

Thanks in advance

Best Regards

Lilo

I take it you are familiar with the Wikipedia entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Carl_von_Slatin - and the German links therefrom?

From that, he held a Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael & St George and was a Companion of the Batn (both UK), but no other medals are mentioned.

Hello Megan,

Yes, I already have seen the wikipedia entry but thanks the same !

Best Regards

Lilo

Sir Rudolf Anton Carl von Slatin (1857 ? 1932)

Hello All,

Can someone tell me which is the full medal entitlement of this eminent Austrian/British man ?

He is known also as Slatin Pasha.

I would greatly appreciate also to know the whereabouts of His medals,

Are they in a museum ?

Thanks in advance

All the Best

Nilo

P.S. also a good photo of him wearing his medals could be of help for my search.

Sir Rudolf Anton Carl von Slatin (1857 ? 1932)

Hello All,

Can someone tell me which is the full medal entitlement of this eminent Austrian/British man ?

He is known also as Slatin Pasha.

I would greatly appreciate also to know the whereabouts of His medals,

Are they in a museum ?

Thanks in advance

All the Best

Nilo

P.S. also a good photo of him wearing his medals could be of help for my search.

Hi All,

I'm trying to establish if the British Admiral Rosslyn Erskine Erskine-Wemyss (1864 -1933) - 1st Baron Wester Wemyss - received (or NOT) the Prussian Order of the Red Eagle between the years 1880-1911.

Can someone check their own sources (reference books) and answer this question please ?

Thanking in advance and awaiting to hear from you again

All the Best

Lilo

Hello Pavel,

Very many thanks for the informations supplied : I have greatly appreciated them !

They are very precious for my understanding of this Order and for my re-search.

All the Best

Lilo

Hi All,

I should need a clarification about the use of the 'Swords' for the Order of Alexander Nevsky:

What I would like to know is if this Order was bestowed with the 'swords' for 'Military Exploits' only or if it was sufficient that the recipients was a Military person ?

I'm asking this because I'm re-searching the full medal entitlement of a British Field Marshal (John Denton Pinkstone FRENCH [1852-1925], 1st Earl of Ypres) and I know that He received the Order in question but I don't know if with or without SWORDS.

Can someone help me please ?

Many Thanks in advance

All the Best

Lilo

P.S. as an aside, I would also appreciate a comment about the frequency of the issue of the 'Alexander Nevsky Order' with SWORDS in particular to British (foreign) recipents in respect to the issue of that WITHOUT 'Swords'.

Hi Lilo,

I will, once I get them out of the bank vault when I am next there.

I am in the process of gathering together the final pieces I need to start writing a book on Japanese awards which will be far more detailed than Peterson, however do not hold your breath since it will take a while to complete given how busy I am with my day job !

Cheers,

Paul

Hi Paul,

No problem at all for waiting but please not forget to post here the 2 photos when you get the 2 medals from the bank vault.

All the Best

Lilo

Not meaning to boast but I have both of these. The 1874 turns up from time to time and at present costs about $5,000 or so in Japan if you can find one. They are difficult to find but not impossible if you are patient and have a large bank balance ! The GEAWM is harder to find and repros abound. The repros are actually made for veterans who feel they are entitled to it and can be found easily in Japan. The originals turn up once every few years, normally when an old collection is sold.

Paul

Hi Paul,

If possible, I would like that you post here clear photos of the 'Front' and 'Back' (comprising the ribbons) of the 2 ORIGINAL medals you have, i.e. of :

- 1st "1874 Formosa Expedition War Medal'';

- GEAWM.

Is it this possible ? (It's to include them in my reference database and so, to make the difference with the modern reproductions/fakes)

Thanking you in advance

All the Best

Lilo

Maybe my friend in Bangkok can dig up something.

Hi Hugh,

Thank you for the answer.

Yes, let us informed with what your friend think.

Regards

Lilo

Hello All,

I understand that there are (at least ??) 2 types of Siam/Thailand Order of the Elephant (founded in 1861).

Please see the two photos attached below.: 1st type on the left; 2nd type on the right.

That I would like to know is in what ?Time-Frame? (from/to) can be posted the 1^st type and obviously also the 2^nd type.

A knowledge of when approx. the Order changed from type 1 to type 2 would help very much.

All the Best

Lilo

Hello,

the medal, is actually a Queen's South Africa Medal, without bar (and no sign that there would have been one), named "W.E. BRAHMIN, SEEDIE. H.M.S. PHILOMEL".

The reason for the presence of this medal in Dr. Mac Donald's group is a mistery to me.

Regards,

Enzo

Hello,

Is the name BRAHMIN an indian one ?

If yes, in could well be a medal issued, may be (??), to a some sort of servant to MacDonald.

In this case the problem, at least to me, is to understand what an indian had to do with the Royal Navy during the Boer war.

Regards

Lilo

Hi All,

I have updated my precedent post with the information I have found in the catalog of DNW and that said by other forum members.

Regards

Lilo

Hello Enzo,

Thank you for posting this splendid and of outmost rarity group (I think is it unique).

Following I'll try to identify the various awards :

1 British, Queen South Africa medal (suspended from incorrect ribbn);

2 Zanzibar, Order of El Alijeh type 1906-10, (breast star and miniature);

3 British, East and West Africa medal;

4 Zanzibar, golden MEDAL OF HONOUR (????) (the central gold disk is exactly that of the 'MEDAL OF HONOUR' but the example of this last that I have seen hasn't the 'ornated' circular border) ;

5 ???? (could be affiliated with the Brilliant Star Order)

6 Zanzibar, medal of the Order of El Alijeh, junior class, circular medal, 45mm, silver and enamels with central toughra of Sultan Ali II bin Hamud;

7 Sultan of Zanzibar medal 1896;

8 Zanzibar, Order of El Alijeh type 1906-10, neck badge;

9 Zanzibar, Order of the Brilliant Star of Zanzibar, silver-gilt Medal of the Order, obverse with Tugra of Sultan (?Ali II bin Hamud, 1902-11? or of ?Sultan Khalifa II bin Harub, 1911-60?, according the period in which it was awarded), reverse plain;****

10 Zanzibar, Order of the Brilliant Star (type with tugra of ?Ali II bin Hamud, 1902-11? or type with tugra ?Sultan Khalifa II bin Harub,1911-60?, according the period in which it was awarded), breast star.

**** For what regard the gold medal (nr. 9 in the picture) I have found a colour photo of this medal mounted in a group in the back cover of the Dix Noonan Web catalog 12th Feb., 1997 (Part II - Douglas Morris Collection) Lot 54.

All the Best

Lilo

Hi Lilo,

I'll check if the two British personalities received the Leopold Order, and which class.

Anyways, I can say -with no doubt- that the Leopold Order, when awarded to foreigners, was of the same type as the one awarded to Austrians; in other words, complete with crown/pendilia above the cross.

Kind regards and best wishes,

Enzo

Ciao Enzo,

Thank you very much for the Help : I have much appreciated it.

Before to start the search I asked to do above (i.e. previous posting) I would like to know and more in general, if you can Help me in confirming the awards also of other Austrian ORDERS to some High Ranking BRITISH officer.

Please let me know

All the Best

Lilo