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WOW, Waldemar, thank you for showing us this group.

Where did you found it ?

I have few corrections to your text.

UDBA or correctly U.D.B. means "Uprava dr?avne bezbednosti" or in English: Direction of state security.

OZNA or correctly O.Z.N. means "Odeljenje za za?titu naroda" or in English: Department for national security.

Maybe our friend Emanuel could tell us more.

I have posted my Order of Redeemer here

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=35480

Nice ones Anatoly, thank you for sharing.

Haven't seen them before.

Nice ones !

I like the boxes anyway !

Good price ! Congratulations !

:cheers:

Nice one !!

Can you tell us the price ?

Yes, that is right.

Cheers.

:beer:

It should look like this:

You have one on e-bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/YUGOSLAVIA-SERBIA-M191...p3286.m20.l1116

Some incorrect items, maybe wrong scans at Barac & Pervan.

Order of the work with the red flag - incorrect ribbon and awarding document.

Dear Waldemar,

I hope that you are not taking my opinion personally.

All I am saying is that as far as I know Orders for Military Merits with great star (1. cl) were made of tomac from 1981. - 1985.

And that I doubt that before 1981. order was made of tombac.

That's all.

P.S. - As for other orders you mentioned, maybe it is a good idea to post them in a separate topic and discuss about them or fakes, as some members suggested. Also, maybe it is a good idea to discuss mistakes we found in known literature, also in separate topics. We can all benefit from discussion.

If order is not issued from 1981. - 1985. (what is a period of which we are certain that orders were made from tombac) that is my only logical guess. No facts.

I doubt that before 1981. order was made of tombac.

I am not saying that any author is absolutely right, I am just saying that he probably had the best source of information, according to his profession.

My guess would be that tombac orders were issued in late '80. Maybe after mr Rude? leave his job as Chief of bureau of orders in Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and after publishing his book.

Is there anything on the reverse of the medal ?

Mr Stojan Rude? was Chief of bureau of orders in Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

He should at least know facts about orders and medals of Yugoslavia.

Here is quotation from book by Stojan Rudez - Orders and medals of SFR Yugoslavia:

"Untill 1980. on the reverse of Orders for military berits (all 3 orders)silver hallmarks nad signature of maker (IKOM) were stamped. Order for military merits with great star was made from tombac in period 1981. - 1985., and then after that period from silver again. Orders for military merits II and III were made from tombac from 1980. after that period there were no hallmarks on the reverse."

So by this author, your order should be from period 1981. - 1985.

Orders with 5 torches were issued before 1963., when changes from 5 to 6 torches were made. (Changes in the coat of arms of SFR Yugoslavia were made in 1963.).

I agree with Anatoly,

if it is with 5 torches, it is an early type, probably silver. Inspect it more carefully. Aren't those hallmarks under those scratches ?

Drew, post a picture.

More about the markings.

Found this picture of marking GK (Griesbach and Knaus) on Partizanska spomenica.

Griesbach and Knaus, Braca Knaus (Knaus brothers) and IKOM are same factory in different period of history.

Thank you for the link Anatoly.

Very live discussion on Sammler site.

OK, thanks for the tip.

Keep on going.

Best wishes. :cheers:

Thank you Gordon.

I was thinking of spraying it with WD 40.

What do you think ?

I think I will do as you say.

Should I do something to prevent further rusting ?

Wow,

where did you get all those amazing photos ?